Condensation on outside of glasses

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of water droplets forming on the outside of a cold glass of water on a warm day. Participants explore concepts related to partial pressure, saturated vapor pressure, dew point, and humidity, aiming to understand the conditions under which condensation occurs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the relationship between partial pressure and saturated vapor pressure, seeking clarity on the conditions for water vapor to condense.
  • Another suggests looking into dew point and relative humidity as relevant concepts.
  • A participant explains that warm air can hold more water vapor than cold air, and when warm air cools around a cold glass, it may lead to condensation.
  • Some participants express differing views on whether the condensation is primarily due to humidity or the capacity of air to hold moisture, with one emphasizing the role of dew point in this context.
  • There is a reiteration of the definition of dew point, with a participant arguing that it relates to the air's capacity to hold moisture and its implications for condensation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the factors contributing to condensation on the glass, particularly regarding the roles of humidity and the capacity of air to hold moisture. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the primary explanation.

Contextual Notes

There are nuances in the definitions and implications of dew point and humidity that participants have not fully clarified, leading to some confusion in their arguments.

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On a warm day, why do droplets of water appear on the outside of a cold glass of water? I don't really understand partial pressure and saturated vapour pressure, but I know it has something to do with this. Like when partial pressure = SVP, the water will boil, but at what point will water vapour condense...?
 
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You would want to look up dew point.
And relative humidity is applicable also.
Come back with a few more questions if you need to.
 
My understanding is that warm air can hold more water vapor than cold air. So if you have warm air with a lot of water vapor getting cooled (perhaps by a cold glass) to a temperature where it cannot hold as much water, it has to dump the excess water out. Onto the glass, in this case.
 
I agree with Lsos.
But I always thought that the cold glass would cool down the gas (air) around it into liquid form, thus creating the water droplets on the outside of the glass.
 
Since your house is always at room temperature, this has nothing to do with the capacity of the air to hold moisture. It is all about humidity. When the air is more humid and the dew point is above the surface temperature of the glass, dew will form. That's basically the definition of "dew point".
 
russ_watters said:
Since your house is always at room temperature, this has nothing to do with the capacity of the air to hold moisture. It is all about humidity. When the air is more humid and the dew point is above the surface temperature of the glass, dew will form. That's basically the definition of "dew point".

Isn't dew point the point where air cannot hold any more moisture (water-to-air saturation temperature)...in which case it has everything to do with the capacity of the air to hold moisture?

I just glanced at the Wikipedia explanation at dew point and it seems to exactly fit what I described...

If the dew point is below the room temperature in your house, for example, it means that the air CAN hold more water. However, if the cold glass cools the air to below that dew point, then that colder air CANNOT hold more water. Indeed, it already has too much, and it gets rid of it.
 
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Lsos said:
Isn't dew point the point where air cannot hold any more moisture (water-to-air saturation temperature)...in which case it has everything to do with the capacity of the air to hold moisture?
Yes, your explanation is correct, but I was trying to convey to the OP that his first sentence, which starts off "On a warm day..." was off the mark. I probably could have done it better.
 

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