Condition for stable equlibrium

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The discussion revolves around calculating the minimum radius of a semicircular cylinder required for a wooden bar to achieve stable equilibrium. Stable equilibrium is defined by the potential energy's first derivative being zero and the second derivative being positive. The center of mass (CM) of the bar is positioned at R + 2 cm above the ground, leading to confusion about the second derivative of potential energy being zero. The user seeks clarification on the relevance of the bar's width in the height equation and expresses uncertainty about their approach to similar problems. Ultimately, the focus is on correctly determining the height and understanding the implications of the bar's dimensions in the equilibrium condition.
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Homework Statement



A homogeneous wooden bar of length 10 cm, thickness 4 cm and weight 1 Kg is balanced
on the top of a semicircular cylinder of radius R as shown below. Calculate the
minimum radius of the semicircular cylinder if the wooden bar is at stable equilibrium.
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Homework Equations



Potential energy E=mgh and its derivatives.

The Attempt at a Solution



Stable equilibrium means the first derivative of potential energy is zero and its second derivative must be greater than zero(local minima). So, I have to express the PE of the wooden bar in terms of R and find minimum R to satisfy above conditions. But here the CM of the bar is at R+(4/2)=R+2 cm above the ground. So, second derivative of PE is always 0? Where am I going wrong? Also, how to approach problems like these in general? I had read about equilibrium a long time back and the concepts are a bit muddled up.
 

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The CM doesn't stay at R+2 if the beam is wiggled !
 
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BvU said:
The CM doesn't stay at R+2 if the beam is wiggled !
Thanks BvU. Yes, I googled similar problems and understood what needs to be done. By displacing the block by θ I calculate the new CM height which comes out to be
h=Rcosθ+Rθsinθ+2cosθ
Now, it is just differentiating twice. So, for equilibrium, is the width of the block(10 cm) irrelevant? I didn't find it's use in the height equation or am I missing something?
 
Ah, you mean the length :smile: !

Didn't work out h myself, and you don't show the steps, so I can't really tell. Suppose you're right.
 
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