Confused about a Problem Statement - Seeking Help

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The discussion revolves around confusion regarding the pressure states in a Carnot cycle problem statement. The user notes discrepancies between their understanding and the solution manual, specifically about pressures at states 3 and 4 being the same as at states 1 and 2. They express difficulty in applying the isothermal equation due to identical pressures leading to zero heat transfer. The conversation highlights the necessity of considering phase changes in the analysis and suggests that the pressure differences might be negligible or that the provided answer key could be incorrect. Clarification on the use of the TS diagram and the saturated steam table is also sought.
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Hello,

I have the problem statement attached in the thumbnail. I am confused about this question. I looked at the solution manual, and they are saying that the pressure at states 3 and 4 are the same, as well as at states 1 and 2. I don't see how this is. Looking at the carnot cycle PV diagram, clearly all 4 states are at different pressures.

Anyways, I did the calculation with the same pressures. Now I am working on part C, and I thought since step 1-->2 is an isotherm, I could use the equation Q=RT ln(P2/P1). However, if P2 and P1 are the same, then Q is zero. What is going on here?


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Do we not need figure 8.2 as well?
I can see how a carnot cycle can operate between three pressures but not just two.
Are you sure you are reading the correct key - what you describe sounds like a simple steam engine cycle.
 
My apologies but figure 8.2 is a TS diagram of the Carnot cycle which I drew in my attempt, I am certain I am reading the correct key
 
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Here is a photo of the part of the solution regarding the pressure. Table F.1 is a saturated steam table

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Oh the states include a liquid state and a bunch of saturated vapor states.
Looks like changes of phase are happening during the cycle.
You would be expected to account for this in your analysis.

Of course it may just be that the pressures are the same to 3dp (i.e. the isotherms are almost flat).
Or that the answer key is just wrong.
 
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