Confused about answer key's solution to a work/energy problem

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The discussion revolves around a work and energy problem from a physics placement exam, specifically focusing on the interpretation of the solution provided in the answer key. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the calculation of work done by gravity on an inclined plane.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the discrepancy between their interpretation of the work done by gravity and the solution manual's approach, particularly regarding the signs and definitions of variables involved.

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Participants are exploring the implications of defining positive directions in the context of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the importance of consistency in sign conventions and the interpretation of the variable x in relation to the spring's position.

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The original poster references specific problem statements and solutions from external documents, indicating that the discussion is framed within the constraints of a homework assignment and the need for clarity on the solution process.

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I'm studying for my college's physics placement and I'm frustrated because I don't get the solution to problem 1d.

Homework Statement



The problem is here: http://ocw.edu.ht/courses/physics/8-01-physics-i-classical-mechanics-fall-1999/exams/exam_2.pdf

Solution manual is here: http://ocw.edu.ht/courses/physics/8-01-physics-i-classical-mechanics-fall-1999/exams/quiz2_sol.pdf

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I drew a mspaint diagram of what I have: http://cl.ly/image/3b1o082l1k3a (x_{max} is defined in 1a, which is in the soln manual)

Basically since gravity is opposing the direction of travel (up the ramp), I think the solution to 1d(i) should be work=-mg(h-h_{max})=-mgsin\theta(x-x_{max}). However the solution manual has the same thing except x_{max}-x in the parentheses. Why is this? Shouldn't it be final - initial, which means x-x_{max} in the parentheses?

edit: I also have the same question for 1d(ii) and (iii) but hopefully it will be answered by explaining (i)
 
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You have to decide which way is positive and stick to it.
If the force due to gravity is being taken as negative along the slope then the positive direction is up the slope. But x is measured down the slope, so it's (-x) - (-xmax)
It is always a good idea to sanity-check the sign of a result. It is clear that the work done by gravity here is negative.
 
Look at the direction of x, what does x mean in terms of the spring?
 
haruspex said:
You have to decide which way is positive and stick to it.
If the force due to gravity is being taken as negative along the slope then the positive direction is up the slope. But x is measured down the slope, so it's (-x) - (-xmax)
It is always a good idea to sanity-check the sign of a result. It is clear that the work done by gravity here is negative.

Oh whoops, I completely missed that. Thanks for the help!
 

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