Confusion about squeeze theorem example; plugging 0 into x when x ≠ 0.

In summary, the conversation is discussing the concept of limits and the use of the Sandwich Theorem. The confusion arises from the use of x=0 in calculating the limits of g(x) and h(x), but this is allowed because the function u(x) is continuous. The squeeze theorem is used to show that the limit of u(x) is 1, even though u(0) is not equal to 1. The conversation also touches on the importance of the "0<" in the definition of a limit and how it is often overlooked.
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This is from a textbook but it is not a homework problem, it's an example following the introduction of the "Sandwich Theorem".

It says "for all x ≠ 0", but then it appears to assume that x = 0 when it finds the limits of g(x) and h(x). Clearly 1 ≤ u(x) ≤ 1 means u(x) = 1, I don't dispute that. I'm just confused as to why they plugged 0 into x after saying that x was not zero. It's more than likely that I'm just reading it incorrectly.. so.. what am I missing?

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Mholnic- said:
This is from a textbook but it is not a homework problem, it's an example following the introduction of the "Sandwich Theorem".

It says "for all x ≠ 0", but then it appears to assume that x = 0 when it finds the limits of g(x) and h(x). Clearly 1 ≤ u(x) ≤ 1 means u(x) = 1, I don't dispute that. I'm just confused as to why they plugged 0 into x after saying that x was not zero. It's more than likely that I'm just reading it incorrectly.. so.. what am I missing?

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Where exactly in that page do you see x=0 being plugged somewhere??

DonAntonio
 
  • #3
You know that if a function f is continuous, then you can find limits with plugging in values in the function.

So, we have that if f is continuous at 0, then

[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}{f(x)}=f(0)[/tex]

This explains the two limits in the end.

However, when writing the expression

[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}{u(x)}[/tex]

and if u is not continuous in 0 then the values of u(x) (with x nonzero) have nothing to do with u(0). In fact, u(0) could be 2 or 4 or 1234, the limit would stay the same after all.

Actually, the limit signifies what the function value of u(0) would be if the function were continuous.

So, if we demand that

[tex]f(x)\leq u(x)\leq g(x)[/tex]

for all nonzero x, then we do that because the value in 0 doesn't matter anyway for the limit. It is only if the function is continuous that it matters.
 
  • #4
@Don:

I'm assuming that the only way 1-(x^2/4) can be equal to 1 is if you assume x=0. I'm also assuming that you have to make x=0 for 1+(x^2/2) equal to 1. Like I said I'm probably grossly misunderstanding some part of this, which is why I'm asking the question. xD From my novice point of view it looks as if they're saying that x can't equal 0 and then plugging 0 into x to make g(x) and h(x) both equal to 1. Then using the theorem to make u(x) equal to 1.

So it looks like they're putting 0 into X when they calculate the two limits under the red "Solution".
 
  • #5
Mholnic- said:
Like I said I'm probably grossly misunderstanding some part of this, which is why I'm asking the question.
You are misunderstanding the concept of limits.

Suppose this function u(x) is defined by
[tex]
u(x) = \begin{cases} 1 & x\ne 0 \\ 42 & x = 0\end{cases}
[/tex]Note that for all x≠0 we have [itex]1-\frac{x^2} 4 \le u(x) \le 1+\frac{x^2} 2[/itex], just as the discussion in the text states. The squeeze theorem says that [itex]\lim_{x\to 0} u(x)=1[/itex] -- does this mean u(0)=1? No. u(0) obviously is not 1, by definition. Note that the result from the squeeze theorem is exactly what results from applying the definition of the limit to the definition of u(x) itself.
 
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here is my attempt:
 

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I more than readily admit that some aspects of limits escape me -- I can solve them but my intuitive grasp of them is rusty at best. Where I initially became confused was from seeing "Since limx →0 (1 - (x2/4) = 1". I look at that and think "Hey! They put in 0!"

I'll take a look at that, Mathwonk, thanks.

I'm 4 days into my summer calc I course.. 2 more class periods left before the first test, so we're getting the material at a firehose pace. Trying to keep from developing bad habits, or it'll kill me in the fall.
 
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Mholnic- said:
I more than readily admit that some aspects of limits escape me -- I can solve them but my intuitive grasp of them is rusty at best. Where I initially became confused was from seeing "Since limx →0 (1 - (x2/4) = 1". I look at that and think "Hey! They put in 0!"

And you are right, they did put in 0! The reason that you can do this is that

[tex]f(x)=1-\frac{x^2}{4}[/tex]

is continuous.
 
  • #9
A very basic and very important theorem about limits that beginning students often overlook is:
If f(x)= g(x) for all x except x= a, then [itex]lim_{x\to a}f(x)= \lim_{x\to a}g(x)[/itex].

(The definition of [itex]\lim_{x\to a} f(x)= L[/itex] is, remember, "Given any [itex]\epsilon> 0[/itex], there exist [itex]\delta> 0[/itex] such that if [itex]0< |x- a|< \delta[/itex] then [itex]|f(x)- L|< \epsilon[/itex]."

Notice the "0< " in [itex]0< |x- a|< \delta[/itex]. That, unfortunately is often neglected. I know I often forget to write it!)

That is why, to find
[tex]\lim_{x\to 2}\frac{x^2- 4}{x- 2}[/tex]
we can note that for x any number except 2,
[tex]\frac{x^2- 4}{x- 2}= x+ 2[/tex].

They have the same value every where except at x= 2 so they have the same limit there. It is easy to see that [itex]\lim_{x\to 2} x+ 2= 4[/itex] so that is the other limit also.
 

1. What is the squeeze theorem and how does it work?

The squeeze theorem, also known as the sandwich theorem, is a mathematical theorem used to prove the limit of a function. It states that if two functions, g(x) and h(x), squeeze a third function f(x) between them as x approaches a certain value, then the limit of f(x) also approaches that same value.

2. Can I use the squeeze theorem when plugging in 0 for x when x is not equal to 0?

No, the squeeze theorem can only be used when the value of x approaches the same value for all three functions. In the case of plugging in 0 for x, the value of x is not approaching the same value for all three functions, so the squeeze theorem cannot be applied.

3. Why is it important to specify that x cannot equal 0 when using the squeeze theorem?

Specifying that x cannot equal 0 is important because when x is equal to 0, the functions used in the squeeze theorem do not have the same limit. This means that the theorem cannot be applied and the proof is invalid.

4. Can I use a different value for x when using the squeeze theorem?

Yes, the value of x can be any number as long as it approaches the same value for all three functions. This is necessary for the squeeze theorem to work and for the limit to be proven.

5. Are there any other conditions or limitations when using the squeeze theorem?

Yes, in addition to x approaching the same value for all three functions, the functions must also be continuous and have the same limit at that value of x. If any of these conditions are not met, the squeeze theorem cannot be applied.

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