Confusion on relative velocity sign

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The discussion centers on the confusion regarding the relative velocity of Chris swimming upstream in a current. The textbook states that Chris's upstream velocity relative to Earth is c-v, which some participants question, suggesting it should be v-c instead. The key point is that if downstream is considered positive, then upstream must be negative, leading to the conclusion that the correct expression for upstream speed is indeed c-v. Participants note that the choice of coordinate system affects the interpretation of velocity signs. Overall, clarity in variable naming and direction conventions is emphasized to avoid such confusion.
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Homework Statement
Problem: Two swimmers, Chris and Sarah, start together at the same point on the bank of a wide stream that flows with a speed v. Both move at the same speed c (where c > v) relative to the water. Chris swims downstream a distance L and then upstream the same distance.
Relevant Equations
v_PA = v_PB + u_BA
The downstream part is no problem: c_E = c + v.
My only question is why is the upstream velocity of Chris relative to the Earth c-v, as said by the textbook, and not v-c? Assuming v is to the right and positive, doesn't c become negative since it is in the opposite direction?
 
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niko_niko said:
Homework Statement: Problem: Two swimmers, Chris and Sarah, start together at the same point on the bank of a wide stream that flows with a speed v. Both move at the same speed c (where c > v) relative to the water. Chris swims downstream a distance L and then upstream the same distance.
Relevant Equations: v_PA = v_PB + u_BA

The downstream part is no problem: c_E = c + v.
My only question is why is the upstream velocity of Chris relative to the Earth c-v, as said by the textbook, and not v-c? Assuming v is to the right and positive, doesn't c become negative since it is in the opposite direction?
In terms of velocity, if downstream is positive, then upstream is negative. If you change the sign of ##c##, then you are changing the positive direction.
 
The upstream speed is, of course, ##v -c##, as speed is non-negative.
 
PeroK said:
The upstream speed is, of course, ##v -c##, as speed is non-negative.
For some reason, the current speed is ##v## while the swimmer speed is ##c##. With ##c > v##, I make the upstream speed ##c-v##.

Authors would be well advised to pick mnemonic variable names.

If the textbook uses the phrase "upstream velocity", this could be interpreted to indicate the use of an upstream-positive coordinate system. So the positive value ##c-v## would be appropriate.
 
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