Confusion on relative velocity sign

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The discussion revolves around the concept of relative velocity in the context of two swimmers, Chris and Sarah, moving in a stream with a current. The problem involves understanding how to calculate their velocities relative to the Earth, particularly when swimming upstream and downstream.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the swimmers' velocities and the current, questioning the signs used in the calculations. There is confusion regarding why the upstream velocity is expressed as c-v instead of v-c, leading to discussions about the implications of directionality in velocity definitions.

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Some participants have offered interpretations of the velocity equations, while others are questioning the assumptions made about directionality and the definitions of positive and negative velocities. Multiple viewpoints are being explored without a clear consensus on the correct interpretation.

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There is an underlying assumption that the swimmers' speeds are greater than the current speed, which may affect the interpretation of the velocities. The discussion also highlights the potential for confusion arising from the terminology used in the textbook.

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Problem: Two swimmers, Chris and Sarah, start together at the same point on the bank of a wide stream that flows with a speed v. Both move at the same speed c (where c > v) relative to the water. Chris swims downstream a distance L and then upstream the same distance.
Relevant Equations
v_PA = v_PB + u_BA
The downstream part is no problem: c_E = c + v.
My only question is why is the upstream velocity of Chris relative to the Earth c-v, as said by the textbook, and not v-c? Assuming v is to the right and positive, doesn't c become negative since it is in the opposite direction?
 
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niko_niko said:
Homework Statement: Problem: Two swimmers, Chris and Sarah, start together at the same point on the bank of a wide stream that flows with a speed v. Both move at the same speed c (where c > v) relative to the water. Chris swims downstream a distance L and then upstream the same distance.
Relevant Equations: v_PA = v_PB + u_BA

The downstream part is no problem: c_E = c + v.
My only question is why is the upstream velocity of Chris relative to the Earth c-v, as said by the textbook, and not v-c? Assuming v is to the right and positive, doesn't c become negative since it is in the opposite direction?
In terms of velocity, if downstream is positive, then upstream is negative. If you change the sign of ##c##, then you are changing the positive direction.
 
The upstream speed is, of course, ##v -c##, as speed is non-negative.
 
PeroK said:
The upstream speed is, of course, ##v -c##, as speed is non-negative.
For some reason, the current speed is ##v## while the swimmer speed is ##c##. With ##c > v##, I make the upstream speed ##c-v##.

Authors would be well advised to pick mnemonic variable names.

If the textbook uses the phrase "upstream velocity", this could be interpreted to indicate the use of an upstream-positive coordinate system. So the positive value ##c-v## would be appropriate.
 
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