Conical diffuser calculation using Bernoulli's Equation

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of pressure in a conical diffuser using Bernoulli's Equation, specifically focusing on two scenarios: one with horizontal flow and another with vertical flow. Participants explore the implications of friction loss and the effects of flow direction on pressure calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a homework problem involving a conical diffuser, providing specific parameters and asking for pressure calculations at the exit under different conditions.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of symbols in the equations used, seeking clarification on their roles.
  • There is a suggestion to consider hydrostatic equilibrium as a simpler case to understand the relationship between Z1 and Z2 when flow is absent.
  • One participant points out potential errors in velocity calculations, indicating that they may be a factor of 100 smaller than expected.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the units used for pressure in the calculations, suggesting that kPa should be converted to Pa for consistency.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the placement of the bottom datum in the context of flow direction, indicating a growing understanding of the concepts involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to calculating pressure in the diffuser, with multiple viewpoints and uncertainties expressed regarding the application of Bernoulli's Equation and the treatment of variables.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made about the heights Z1 and Z2 in the context of flow, as well as the need for unit consistency in pressure calculations.

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Homework Statement



The following information applies to a conical diffuser:
Length = 750 mm
Inlet diameter = 100 mm
Outlet diameter = 175 mm
Water flow = 50 l/s
Pressure at inlet = 180 kPa

Friction loss = \frac{k(V_{1} - V_{2})^{2}}{2g} where k = 0.15

Calculate the pressure at exit. (10)

The same diffuser is then installed in a vertical pipeline where the flow is now downward and the quantity of water flow is to be double the above flow. The inlet pressure in the diffuser inlet (smaller diameter) is 150 kPa. Consider friction loss and calculate the pressure at the exit of the
diffuser. (10)

Homework Equations



Bernoulli's Equation : Z_{1}+\frac{P_{1}}{ρg}+\frac{V_{1}^{2}}{2g} = Z_{2}+\frac{P_{2}}{ρg}+\frac{V_{2}^{2}}{2g}+H_{loss}

The Attempt at a Solution



The 1st part of the question is not a problem where Z_{1}= Z_{2}. The problem I'm having is when it becomes vertical does Z_{1}or Z_{2} = 0.75m.
 
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What do the symbols r1 and r2 represent in your equation, and what are they doing there?
 
Sorry, Pr is pressure.
 
To see what to do about Z1 and Z2, consider the simpler case where the flow rate is zero, so all you have is hydrostatic equilibrium. Z1 and Z2 will be the same values when you have flow.

Chet
 
So what happens when there is flow? Please could just have a look at my answer that's attached. Thanks.
 

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Michael V said:
So what happens when there is flow? Please could just have a look at my answer that's attached. Thanks.

When there is flow, you just add the velocity and friction terms back into the equation. For hydrostatic equilibrium, if p1 is the pressure at the top and p2 is the pressure at the bottom, and z1 is the height of the top above the bottom datum, while z2 is the height of the bottom datum (z2 =0), Then the pressure at p2 would have to be higher than the pressure p1. So

p2 = p1 + ρg (z1 - z2)

So p1 + ρgz1 = p2 +ρgz2

This should automatically tell you what to use for z1 and z2 in the flow problem.

In your calculations for part 1, you made an error in calculating the velocities. They are a factor of 100 smaller.
 
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It seems to me also that you are using the wrong units for pressure in the equation. You are substituting kPa, but it should be expressed in Pa.
 
Chestermiller said:
When there is flow, you just add the velocity and friction terms back into the equation. For hydrostatic equilibrium, if p1 is the pressure at the top and p2 is the pressure at the bottom, and z1 is the height of the top above the bottom datum, while z2 is the height of the bottom datum (z2 =0), Then the pressure at p2 would have to be higher than the pressure p1. So

p2 = p1 + ρg (z1 - z2)

So p1 + ρgz1 = p2 +ρgz2

Its starting make sense now, I was just struggling with where the bottom datum should be but I can see it has nothing to do with flow rate or its direction.
Thank you so much for your time.
 
This is great news Michael. Sometimes stuff like this can drive you crazy. Keep up the good work.

Chet
 

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