Bernoulli equation exercise from Fanning and Moody

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The discussion revolves around a homework exercise involving the Bernoulli equation and the calculation of the Reynolds number, Fanning friction factor, and loss coefficients in a fluid mechanics context. Participants are analyzing the application of the Moody chart and the implications of using kinematic versus dynamic viscosity in their calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Participants present calculations for the Reynolds number using the formula ##Re=\frac{4*m} {pi*D*μ}##, with some asserting that the kinematic viscosity was incorrectly used instead of dynamic viscosity.
  • One participant calculates the Reynolds number as approximately 530516477, while another later recalculates it as 530000, suggesting a significant discrepancy based on the viscosity used.
  • Relative roughness is calculated as ##ξ=\frac{k} {D}##, yielding a value of 0.002, which is agreed upon by multiple participants.
  • The Fanning friction factor is determined from the Moody chart, with a consistent value of f=0.006 being reported by several participants.
  • There are requests for further verification of the entire exercise, indicating uncertainty about the correctness of the remaining calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the calculation of relative roughness and the Fanning friction factor. However, there is disagreement regarding the correct calculation of the Reynolds number, with different interpretations of the viscosity leading to different results. The overall correctness of the exercise remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the viscosity used in the Reynolds number calculation, which affects the results. The discussion also highlights the dependency on the Moody chart for determining the friction factor and the potential for errors in earlier calculations.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners in fluid mechanics, particularly those working on problems involving the Bernoulli equation and flow in pipes, as well as those interested in the application of the Moody chart.

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Homework Statement


I would really appreciate it if you could give me a hand with this exercise, not sure on what I've done.
Data:
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Moody:
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L=55*10-3m
D=10-1m
k=0.0002m

Homework Equations


##Re=\frac{D*u*ρ} {μ}##
##Re=\frac{4*m} {pi*D*μ}##
Relative roughness ##ξ=\frac k D## where k=rougness and D=diameter
f=fanning friction factor from Moddy chart as ξ ∩ Re
K=loss coefficient =##\frac{f*4L} {D}+∑Ki##
where Ki=other losses
##Δhloss=\frac{K*u^2} {2g}##
Bernoulli:##\frac {P1} {ρg} ##+h1 +##\frac {u1^2} {2g} ## = ##\frac {P2} {ρg} ##+h2 +##\frac {u2^2} {2g} +Δhloss##

The Attempt at a Solution


i)Re=?
Q=0.05m^3/s
μ=1.2*10-6m2/s

##Re=\frac{4*m} {pi*D*μ}##
where m=ρ*Q
m=103*0.05
m=50 Kg/s
=>##Re=\frac{4*50} {pi*10^-1*1.2*10^-6}##
=>Re=530516477 turbulent flow

ii)f=?fanning friction
##ξ=\frac k D## =##ξ=\frac {0.0002} {10^-1}##
ξ=2*10-3
=> f=0.006 from ξ∩Re on Moody Chart

iii)Assumptions
A: hA=7m PA=? uA=0
B hB=0m(datum) PB=0(atomospheric) uB=0;

:##\frac {P1} {ρg} ##+h1 +##\frac {u1^2} {2g} ## = ##\frac {P2} {ρg} ##+h2 +##\frac {u2^2} {2g} +Δhloss##

Pluggin in the assumptions this means:
##Δhloss=\frac {PA} {ρg} +hA##
=>##PA=(Δhloss-hA)*ρg##
Δhloss=K*u2/2*g
K=##\frac{f*4L} {D}+∑Ki##=##\frac{0.006*4*55*10^-3} {10^-1}+0.5+3*0.8+2*0.25+0.95##

##K=4.36##

Q=0.05 m^3/s=>##u=\frac {Q} {A}## ##u=\frac {0.05} {pi*(10^-1)^2/4}##
u=6.36m/s

##Δhloss=\frac {K*u^2} {2g}##=##Δhloss=\frac {4.36*6.36^2} {2*9.81}##

Δhloss=8.98m

##PA=(Δhloss-hA)*ρg##

##PA=(8.98-7)*10^3*9.81##

=>PA=19423.8 Pa
 
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williamcarter said:

Homework Statement


I would really appreciate it if you could give me a hand with this exercise, not sure on what I've done.
Data:
View attachment 104815
Moody:
View attachment 104816

L=55*10-3m
D=10-1m
k=0.0002m

Homework Equations


##Re=\frac{D*u*ρ} {μ}##
##Re=\frac{4*m} {pi*D*μ}##
Relative roughness ##ξ=\frac k D## where k=rougness and D=diameter
f=fanning friction factor from Moddy chart as ξ ∩ Re
K=loss coefficient =##\frac{f*4L} {D}+∑Ki##
where Ki=other losses
##Δhloss=\frac{K*u^2} {2g}##
Bernoulli:##\frac {P1} {ρg} ##+h1 +##\frac {u1^2} {2g} ## = ##\frac {P2} {ρg} ##+h2 +##\frac {u2^2} {2g} +Δhloss##

The Attempt at a Solution


i)Re=?
Q=0.05m^3/s
μ=1.2*10-6m2/s

##Re=\frac{4*m} {pi*D*μ}##
where m=ρ*Q
m=103*0.05
m=50 Kg/s
=>##Re=\frac{4*50} {pi*10^-1*1.2*10^-6}##
=>Re=530516477 turbulent flow
The Reynolds number is calculated incorrectly. You are given the kinematic viscosity, not the dynamic viscosity.
 
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Chestermiller said:
The Reynolds number is calculated incorrectly. You are given the kinematic viscosity, not the dynamic viscosity.

##Re=\frac{D*u} {∂}##
where D=diameter u=velocity ∂=kinematic viscosity
u=Q/A=6.36m/s

##Re=\frac{10^{-1}*6.36} {1.2*10^{-6}}##

Re=530000=>Re=5.3*105

##ξ=\frac{k} {D}=2*10^{-3}##=0.002

ξ∩Re=>f=0.006 from Moody Chart
 
williamcarter said:
##Re=\frac{D*u} {∂}##
where D=diameter u=velocity ∂=kinematic viscosity
u=Q/A=6.36m/s

##Re=\frac{10^{-1}*6.36} {1.2*10^{-6}}##

Re=530000=>Re=5.3*105

##ξ=\frac{k} {D}=2*10^{-3}##=0.002

ξ∩Re=>f=0.006 from Moody Chart
This is better. I haven't checked the rest of the analysis.
 
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Chestermiller said:
This is better. I haven't checked the rest of the analysis.
Thank you for your reply.
I would really appreciate it , if you can and have time , if you could check the rest of the exercise, as I am not sure if it is correct.
In both cases the f=0.006
 
williamcarter said:
Thank you for your reply.
I would really appreciate it , if you can and have time , if you could check the rest of the exercise, as I am not sure if it is correct.
In both cases the f=0.006
It looks OK to me.
 
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