Conservation/Conversion of energy

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The problem involves a mass dropped from a height onto a spring, exploring the conservation of energy principles. The subject area includes mechanics, specifically gravitational potential energy and spring potential energy.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the conservation of energy, attempting to relate gravitational potential energy to spring potential energy. Some express confusion about the correct application of formulas and the setup of the equations.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the energy conservation principle, with participants attempting to derive the spring compression. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider the spring's energy, and there are indications of multiple interpretations of the problem setup.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of unit conversion, specifically converting spring constant units from N/cm to N/m, as a potential source of error in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


A mass of 4.5kg is dropped from a height of 3.3m above a spring. spring const is 25N/cm. How much is the spring compressed.


Homework Equations



F = 4.5*9.8 = 44.1

PE = mgh = 4.5*3.3*9.8 = 145.53

v = sqrt(2(9.8)(3.3)) = 8.04m/s

The Attempt at a Solution



The above are the few things I was able to grab out of the given information. The issue I'm having is plugging this into an equation to find the spring
 
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Energy is conserved in this problem. If you write
initial energy = final energy
and then fill in the details of the kinds of energy involved you will be able to solve for the spring compression.
 
so I get that mgh = 1/2mv^2+mgh?

145.53 = .5(4.5)(8.04)^2+(4.5)(9.8)h

.7m?

I don't think I did it right
 
Well I looked into a few of the formulas on the book and I get to a quadratic equation, but I'm still missing something here and I'm not sure what it is.

.5(.25)Y^2-(4.5)(9.8)Y+4.5(9.8)(-3.3)
0.125Y^2-44.1Y+145.53.

356? That's not possible so any adive on this will be appreciated.

Thnsx
 
Got it done. My equation above is right, the only problem was that I had to convert N/cm to N/m.

Thanks
 
You didn't consider the spring!
Initially you have the mgh. When the mass hits the spring, it comes to a stop and you only have spring energy ½kx².
 

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