Conservation of Energy and Gravitation

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The discussion revolves around the conservation of energy in two distinct scenarios: a block sliding on a track with friction and a gravitational problem involving a ring. The first scenario involves calculating the stopping distance of a block after being released from a height, while the second scenario focuses on the gravitational force exerted by a ring on a particle and the particle's subsequent motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the application of conservation of energy principles, questioning the impact of friction and the need for multiple calculations. They also discuss the relevance of angular momentum in the context of the block's motion.
  • In the gravitational problem, some participants suggest using the inertia of the ring and emphasize the importance of summing forces along the axis. There are inquiries about the potential energy and its relation to the gravitational force.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problems, offering various interpretations and approaches. Some guidance has been provided regarding the need to sum forces and consider energy conservation, but no consensus has been reached on the specific methods or calculations to be used.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the calculations involving friction and the gravitational setup, with participants questioning assumptions about energy loss and the nature of forces involved. The complexity of the problems, including the presence of friction and the geometry of the ring, adds to the discussion's depth.

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1. A block slides along a track with elevated ends. The flat part has length L = 0.2m, and the object is released from a height of 0.1m. The curved portion of the track is frictionless, but the flat part has uk = 0.15 . where does the object finally come to rest?

Etotal = Ui + Ki = Uf + Kf + work done by friction
mgy + 0 = mgy' + 0 + ukFn
mg(.1) = mgy' + (.15)mg
.1 = y' + .15
y' = -.05

this doesn't seem right, will I have to do multiple calculations of conservation of energy, since there is a section with friction and a section without. Do I have to consider angular momentum since its sliding down a slope at first?


2. Several planets possesses nearly circular surrounding rings, perhaps composed of material that failed to form a satellite. In addition, many galaxies contain ring-like structures. Consider a homogeneous ring of mass M and radius R.
a) Find an expression for the gravitational force exerted by the ring on a particle of mass m located a distance x from the center of the ring along its axis.
b) Suppose that the particle falls from rest as a result of the attraction of the ring of matter. Find an expression for the speed with which is passes through the center of the ring.

since we are dealing with a ring, should I use inertia of the ring instead of mass?

F = -GMm/r^2
I of ring = mr^2

F = -G(MR^2)m/x^2

W = Fd = -G(MR^2)m/x

Etotal = U - K
-G(MR^2)m/x = (1/2)mv^2
v = -sqrt(2G(MR^2)/x)

thanks
 
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1.The initial KE at the start of the flat portion is equal to the energy gained after dropping through a height of 0.1 m. This KE will be equal to work done by friction in bringing it to rest. Equate the two.

2. a) This has got nothing to do with MI. All the points on the ring is at an equal dist from any pt on the axis. You know the dist. Just sum the forces. Only the components of the forces along the axis will remain. The components perp to the axis will cancel out for diametrically opp points.

2. b) Can you find the potential at any point along the axis? Remember, force = -grad phi. After that, final E = initial E, because gravitation is a conservative force.
 
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mgh = kf = work done by friction to bring it to rest
mgh = fd
mgh = uk*n*d
mgh = uk*mg*d
h = uk*d
d = h/uk
d = .67

but this is greater than the length, so will the brick go upt he other side?
would i have to do this a few times and add the energies lost each time?2.
a) -GMm/x^2
is this all I need to leave it at?

b)
U = mgx
mgx = 0 when x = 0
so when U = 0
K = mgx
mv^2 = mgx
v = sqrt(gx)

is this correct?

thanks
 
(Hi, posting problems separately makes it easier for all to share in the helping.)

1. Right. Since the elevated ends will not take away energy, it seems the mass will traverse the flat portion three times and after that will come to rest 0.07 m from the
other end than from which it started.

2a. No, you have to sum it and express it in terms of x, M and R. Draw a diagram. Remember that the dist d of the pt P on the axis from a pt on the ring is given by
d^2=R^2+x^2. Take component of the force at P along and perp to axis.

2b. No, the U you've written is for uniform g field. You have to use the force you get from 2a and integrate. Do 2a first.
 

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