Conservation of Energy: block on a table

AI Thread Summary
The discussion focuses on solving a physics problem related to energy conservation involving a block on a table. Key equations include work-energy principles and the effects of friction, with initial calculations leading to a velocity of 51.58 m/s, which was later corrected to 2 m/s after considering friction. The participants emphasized the importance of clearly defining variables and equations used in the calculations. The final consensus confirmed that the horizontal distance could be calculated by multiplying horizontal velocity by time, leading to a result of 1 meter. Overall, the conversation highlights the necessity of accounting for friction and accurately applying kinematic equations in energy conservation problems.
Fatima Hasan
Messages
315
Reaction score
14

Homework Statement


0-02-04-fce77fb4b64c2c20d68cf1fee558de0ca4209a9e7b26043a5b95213a.jpg

4nbh2228r

Homework Equations


∑F=ma
W = - ΔUs
ΔUs = 0.5 k (xƒ)^2 - 0.5 k (xi)^2
W = ΔUs + ΔKE
d = viy t + 0.5 * t^2 * a

The Attempt at a Solution


A) [/B]W = - (0.5 k xƒ^2 - 0.5 k xi^2)
= - (0-100)
W = 100 J
B)
W = ΔUs + ΔKE
100 = 0.5 m vf^2 -0 + 0 - 0.5 k xi ^2
100 = 0.5 * 2 * vf^2 - 0.5 * 2000*(0.1+1.5)
vf = 51.58
C)
∑F=ma

m a = - Fk + F spring
a = ( -4+200)/2 = 196 /2 = 98 m/s^2
d = viy t + 0.5 * t^2 * a
0.3 = 0 + 0.5 * 98 * t^2
t = 0.078 s t = - 0.078 s ( unacceptable)
v = R / t
R = 51.58 * 0.078 = 4.04 m

Please check if it's correct or not.
Thank you
 

Attachments

  • 0-02-04-fce77fb4b64c2c20d68cf1fee558de0ca4209a9e7b26043a5b95213a.jpg
    0-02-04-fce77fb4b64c2c20d68cf1fee558de0ca4209a9e7b26043a5b95213a.jpg
    18.3 KB · Views: 682
Physics news on Phys.org
In general, you should write out your reasoning in words and properly define the notation you are using. Not doing so just makes your post difficult to read and decreases your chances of getting meaningful replies.

Fatima Hasan said:
- (0.5 k xƒ^2 - 0.5 k xi^2)
= - (0-100)
What numbers have you used here? Please show your entire computation.

Fatima Hasan said:
B)
W = ΔUs + ΔKE
100 = 0.5 m vf^2 -0 + 0 - 0.5 k xi ^2
100 = 0.5 * 2 * vf^2 - 0.5 * 2000*(0.1+1.5)
vf = 51.58
You seem to be ignoring a crucial point of the problem statement, namely that the table is rough with a given coefficient of friction. Also, what is the 1.5 doing in your expression?
 
I tried to solve it again , here's my work
A)
xi = 0.1 m , xf = 0 m
Ug = 0.5 * k * Δx^2
= 0.5 *2000*(0-0.1)^2
= 10 J
B)
W = Fκd cos θ
Fk = FN μκ = mg μκ
W = 2 * 10 * 0.2 * 1.5 * -1
= - 6 J
W = ΔUg + ΔKE + ΔUs
Δ Ug = 0 (because the height doesn't change)
W = 0.5 k ( xf )^2 - 0.5 k ( xi )^2 + 0.5 m (vf)^2 - 0.5 m (vi)^2
-6 = 0.5 * 2000* (0)^2 - 0.5 * 2000( 0.1 )^2 + 0.5 * 2 * ( vf )^2 - 0.5 *2*(0)^2
v f = √ ((-6+10) / (0.5*2))
v f = 2 m/s
C)
(vfy)^2 = (viy)^2 + 2 a d
(2)^2 = 0 + 2 *a * 1.3
a = 4 / (1.3 *2 ) = 1.5 m/s^2
d = viy t + 0.5 t^2 * a
1.3 = 0 + 0.5 t^2 * 1.5
t = √(1.3 / ( 0.5*1.5)) = 1.31 s ( - 1.31 s unacceptable)
vx = R / t
R = vx * t = 1.316 * 2 = 2.63 m /s
 
You have A and B right.
Fatima Hasan said:
(vfy)^2 = (viy)^2 + 2 a d
Is this supposed to be for the vertical direction? The 2 m/s is horizontal, and the vertical acceleration is known.
 
haruspex said:
You have A and B right.

Is this supposed to be for the vertical direction? The 2 m/s is horizontal, and the vertical acceleration is known.
So , no need to use this equation .. I can find the answer by multiblying the horizontal velocity ( 2 m/s) by the time ( 1.36 ) to get the horizontal distance . Isn't it ?
 
Fatima Hasan said:
So , no need to use this equation .. I can find the answer by multiblying the horizontal velocity ( 2 m/s) by the time ( 1.36 ) to get the horizontal distance . Isn't it ?
You used that (wrong) equation to get the (wrong) 1.316s.
 
haruspex said:
You used that (wrong) equation to get the (wrong) 1.316s.
Since the initial velocity of y component = 0 m/s ( we have only horizontal velocity ) and the vertical distance was given , so I can use this equation :
d = viy + 0.5 * a t^2
1.3 = 0 + 0.5 *10 * t^2 ( assume that downward direction is positive )
so , t = 0.5 s , t = -0.5 s --> invalid value
R = vx * t = 2 * 0.5 = 1 m
Am I right now ?
 
Fatima Hasan said:
Since the initial velocity of y component = 0 m/s ( we have only horizontal velocity ) and the vertical distance was given , so I can use this equation :
d = viy + 0.5 * a t^2
1.3 = 0 + 0.5 *10 * t^2 ( assume that downward direction is positive )
so , t = 0.5 s , t = -0.5 s --> invalid value
R = vx * t = 2 * 0.5 = 1 m
Am I right now ?
Looks good.
 
  • Like
Likes Fatima Hasan
Back
Top