Conservation of Energy block on a track

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The discussion revolves around a block sliding on a frictionless curved track, analyzing its speed and the normal force at a specific point. For part (a), the user derives the speed at point B using energy conservation principles, concluding with the formula vf = sqrt(6gR). In part (b), there is confusion regarding the normal force, with the user initially suggesting it might be zero, which would imply the block falls off the track. However, it's clarified that the normal force at point B is necessary to provide the required centripetal force, calculated as Fn = 5mg. The gravity's role is emphasized as contributing to the block's motion along the track but not affecting the centripetal force at point B.
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Homework Statement


In the figure, a block of mass M slides without friction around the curved track. (a) If the block starts from rest at A, what is its speed at B? (b) What is the force of the track (the normal force) on the block at B?
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Homework Equations


Uf + Kf = Ui + Ki

The Attempt at a Solution


for a, I was just wondering if this seemed right:
mghf + 1/2mvf2 = mghi + 1/2mvi2
mg(R) + 1/2mvf2 = mg(4R)
1/2mvf2 = mg(4 R) - mg(R)
vf2 = 2g(4R) - 2g(R)
vf = sqr. root [ 2g(3R) ]

I'm not sure about b. I think the normal force might be zero, but then I think that would mean the block would fall off the track.

Fnet,x : N = ma
a = 0 in the x direction, so
N = 0
 

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The block moves along a circle with speed v=sqrt(6gR) at the moment. How much is the centripetal force? What is its direction? What exerts this force on the block?

ehild
 
The magnitude of the net centripetal force is
F = m * (v2/R)

the centripetal force always points towards the center of the circle, as the normal force does in this case. However, since we are discussing the net centripetal force, I can't simply say the net centripetal force is equal to the normal force, can I?

I think it would be like:
Fn + Fg = net centripetal force
Fn = net centripetal force - Fg
Fn = 6mg - mg
Fn = 5mg

or should I not include Fg?
 
The centripetal force is mv2/R, is not it? And it is horizontal at B.
The force mg points vertically downward, it has no horizontal component. The force is a vector quantity. The components add up, not the magnitudes. So gravity does not contribute to the centripetal force at B. It does contribute at other points of the track, where the centripetal force has nonzero vertical component. At points B it is only the track that provides the centripetal force. Gravity accelerates the block along the track.

ehild
 
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