Conservation of Energy Problem with spring

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The problem involves a vertical spring with a known spring constant, compressed by a specific distance, and a ball of a given mass. The objective is to determine the upward speed imparted to the ball upon release and the maximum height it reaches relative to its original position.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the conservation of energy principles, questioning the correctness of their equation setup. Some participants inquire about the understanding of kinetic and potential energy, while others suggest clarifying the work-energy theorem and its application to the problem.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the relevant energy concepts and equations. There is an emphasis on understanding the energy transformations occurring in the system as the spring releases the ball. Guidance has been provided on how to approach the problem using conservation of energy, but no consensus has been reached on the specific equations to use.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on ensuring the correct application of energy principles, with some participants noting potential inaccuracies in the original equations presented. The discussion highlights the need to consider the spring and ball as a single system during the energy transformations.

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Homework Statement


A vertical Spring (ignoring mass) whose spring constant is 875N/m is attached to a table and is compressed down by .160m. What upward speed can it give to a .350kg ball when released? How high up its original position will the ball fly?



Homework Equations


Spring constant = 1/2Kx^2
Potential energy with gravity = mgh

I'm guessing my equation would look something like this?

1/2mv1+mgy1=1/2mv2+1/2kx2

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not sure if I'm doing this right so far. This is all I've gotten to.
 
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Ok tell me if you have studied these things.
1) Kinetic Energy
2) Potential Energy
2) Work Energy Theorem
 
Yes I've learned about each of those.
 
I asked it because the formulas written are not correct.
 
The work energy theorem is:

1/2mv^2-1/2mv^2.

Translational kinetic energy is 1/2mv^2
 
JacksonL said:
The work energy theorem is:

1/2mv^2-1/2mv^2.

That doesn't make any sense. The work energy theorem is an equation, and should have a left hand side and an equal sign. And 1/2mv^2-1/2mv^2 = 0. Please put the relevant subscripts.

At any rate, you don't need that form of the work-energy theorem here.

You do need this, though:

Translational kinetic energy is 1/2mv^2

And this is written correctly. You don't need v_1 and v_2 here, because the ball starts at rest. Just use one variable for the speed at which the ball is launched, v.

When solving this, consider the spring and ball as a single system. You compress the spring with the ball on top of it, release it, the spring stretches to its original length carrying the ball with it, following which the ball continues to move vertically upward (it's "launched"). Now ask yourself the following:

1) When the spring is fully compressed, what form of energy resides in the system? How do you calculate this?

2) As the spring is released and is relaxing to its original length, what energy transformations are taking place? What energy is decreasing? What's (or what are) increasing?

3) Finally, when the spring attains its original length, what forms of energy exist in the system?

Equate the energy in state 1 to that in state 3 with Conservation of Energy. Now write down the relevant equations. You can now solve for the initial kinetic energy and thereby, the initial upward speed of the ball at the point of launch.

Continuing on, the ball travels upward until it reaches a maximum height, when it becomes momentarily stationary.

4) What form of energy exists in the ball at this time? Again use conservation of energy to solve for the maximum height the ball attains. Remember that this height is taken from the point of launching. The question is asking for how high the ball gets from its *original* position. What do you need to do?
 
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