Conservation of momentum and baseball throw

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When a player throws a baseball while standing still, they do not move backward due to the conservation of momentum, which states that the total momentum of a closed system remains constant unless acted upon by an external force. The forces involved during the throw are internal to the player-ball system, meaning they do not result in any net movement. If the player were on ice, the lack of friction would allow them to slide backward, illustrating the principle of momentum conservation more clearly. The normal force from the ground counteracts the player's force, preventing backward movement in normal conditions. Thus, the player's mass relative to the ball's mass also plays a crucial role in the outcome of the throw.
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While standing still on the baseball field, you throw the ball to a teammate. Why do you not move backward as a result? Is the law of conservation of momentum violated?
 
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bkl4life said:
While standing still on the baseball field, you throw the ball to a teammate. Why do you not move backward as a result? Is the law of conservation of momentum violated?
Look up the description of conservation of momentum. Is it always conserved?
 
Maybe I am making this harder than it really is.

I know the of conservation of momentum will remain constant unless acted upon by an outside force. The reason I am not moving backwards is because my arm is moving forward?
 
bkl4life said:
Maybe I am making this harder than it really is.

I know the of conservation of momentum will remain constant unless acted upon by an outside force. The reason I am not moving backwards is because my arm is moving forward?
NO. Any forces acting on the player and ball while they are in contact with each other are internal to the man-baseball system (Newton 3). What is the external force? HINT: What would happen if the thrower was standing on ice?
 
The normal force pushing up on the player is equal to the force the player is exerting on the ground. This is why the player does not move backwards?

If the thrower were standing on ice and threw the ball he would slide because there would be friction between the player and the ice.
 
bkl4life said:
The normal force pushing up on the player is equal to the force the player is exerting on the ground.
Yes, that's true, but it is an outside external force, acting up, but the man doesn't move down , because another external force , gravity, balances it. But let's concentrare on the horizontal x direction.
This is why the player does not move backwards?
NO.
If the thrower were standing on ice and threw the ball he would slide because there would be friction between the player and the ice.
No, there would ideally be no friction or little friction between the player and ice, that is, no external force in the x direction, and he would move backwards due to conservation of momentum. So what's the answer as to why the player does NOT move backwards?
 
Do you have to add the mass of the whole system (ball and player)? The mass of the ball will not be great enough to make a an impact of moving the person. The external force in the x direction is stopping the person from moving backwards.
 
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