Conservation of momentum and toboggan

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving conservation of momentum in the context of a toboggan that gains mass from falling snow. The subject area includes concepts of momentum and inelastic collisions.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the application of conservation of momentum and kinetic energy principles, questioning the appropriateness of their initial equations and the nature of the collision.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the concepts, with some recognizing the need to differentiate between momentum and kinetic energy. There is acknowledgment of the inelastic nature of the collision, and a general direction towards using the correct momentum conservation equation has been established.

Contextual Notes

There is some confusion regarding the definitions and applications of momentum and kinetic energy, as well as the implications of inelastic collisions on energy conservation.

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a runaway toboggan of mass 8.6 kg is moving horizontally at 23 km/h. as it passes under a tree 15 kg of snow drop onto it.
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isn't the ans 13.88 if we use conservation of momentum equation (.5mv1 initial + 0.5mv2 initial) = (0.5mv1 final + 0.5 mv2final) --> (0.5 (8.6) (23^2)) = (0.5 (8.6+15)(v2^2)) ??
 
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You're not doing momentum properly. What is the definition of momentum?
 
well, actually, i guess i had used the conservation statement for kinetic energy and not the conservation for momentum... and so i should use (mv 1 initial) (mv 2 initial) = (mv 1 final) (mv 1 initial) but why is it again that i cannot use what i used in #1??
 
because it is an inelastic collision and there is energy loss?
 
nvm, ignore #4, i don't know what I am talking about
 
oh haha, ok, i take that back. it IS an inelastic collision and so the equation i must use is (mv1 in) + (mv2 in) = (m1+m2)(Vfin)
 
jaded18 said:
oh haha, ok, i take that back. it IS an inelastic collision and so the equation i must use is (mv1 in) + (mv2 in) = (m1+m2)(Vfin)

yes, exactly.
 

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