Conservation of momentum of ball thrown

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conservation of momentum in the context of a ball colliding with a stationary wall. Participants explore whether momentum is conserved during the collision, considering factors such as the wall's stationary nature and the direction of the ball's velocity before and after the impact. The conversation touches on concepts of elastic and inelastic collisions as well.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification, Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether momentum is conserved when a ball rebounds off a stationary wall, noting the change in direction of the ball's velocity.
  • Another participant asserts that the collision is partially inelastic due to the coefficient of restitution being less than 1, while maintaining that momentum is conserved in all collisions.
  • Several participants discuss the role of external forces, suggesting that momentum is only conserved in the absence of such forces, particularly in the case of the wall being held in place by external factors.
  • One participant proposes that if the momentum of the wall and the Earth is considered, total momentum would be conserved, despite the presence of external forces like gravity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conservation of momentum, with some arguing that external forces prevent conservation in this scenario, while others maintain that total momentum can be conserved when considering the larger system, including the wall and Earth.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the situation, including the effects of external forces and the definitions of elastic versus inelastic collisions, without reaching a consensus on the implications for momentum conservation.

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If say, a object such as a ball with velocity v m/s and mass m kg collides with a stationary solid wall, and the ball rebounds back with a velocity of v' m/s while the wall remains stationary, is momentum conserved?

Since the wall is stationary, I would assume that the initial and the final momenta of the wall are zero. Hence applying the law of conservation of momentum,
p initial = p final
mv=mv'

But then the velocity of the ball is in the opposite direction after the impact, so how would I justify the conservation of momentum in this case?
Also, would the collision be elastic? (assuming the wall does not deform)
Thanks!
 
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No the collision is partially inelastic at has to be as the COR isn't 1, in all collisions the momentum is conserved. As the wall is very large it doesn't appear to move (it also only moves locally, by deformation).
 
merry said:
If say, a object such as a ball with velocity v m/s and mass m kg collides with a stationary solid wall, and the ball rebounds back with a velocity of v' m/s while the wall remains stationary, is momentum conserved?

Hi merry! :smile:

By good ol' Newton's second law , total momentum in a direction is only conserved if there is no external force in that direction.

So collisions in space, or collisions on a frictionless surface (where the only external forces are normal to the motion), obey conservation of momentum,

but your wall has (I assume :wink:) a horizontal force keeping it in place, so horizontal momentum is not conserved. :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi merry! :smile:

By good ol' Newton's second law , total momentum in a direction is only conserved if there is no external force in that direction.

So collisions in space, or collisions on a frictionless surface (where the only external forces are normal to the motion), obey conservation of momentum,

but your wall has (I assume :wink:) a horizontal force keeping it in place, so horizontal momentum is not conserved. :smile:

Hehe XD that makes sense! Thank you! =D
 
Of course, if you consider the momentum of whatever is holding the wall in place, momentum would be conserved. So if you could somehow measure the momentum of the wall, the Earth, etc. very precisely, you should find that the total momentum is conserved. (Actually, even then there are external forces, like gravity... but if there weren't, then you should find that the total momentum would be conserved ;-)
 
diazona said:
Of course, if you consider the momentum of whatever is holding the wall in place, momentum would be conserved. So if you could somehow measure the momentum of the wall, the Earth, etc. very precisely, you should find that the total momentum is conserved. (Actually, even then there are external forces, like gravity... but if there weren't, then you should find that the total momentum would be conserved ;-)

That is an interesting idea O.o Thank you =D
 

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