Conservation of relativistic momentum for identical particles

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The discussion revolves around the conservation of relativistic momentum in a scenario where a particle at rest decays into three identical particles. The original poster seeks to determine the direction and speed of one of the particles, as well as the mass ratio of the original particle to the decay products.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to compute the average direction and velocity of two particles to infer the properties of the third particle but expresses uncertainty about this method. Some participants question the approach and suggest alternative considerations, such as the implications of non-relativistic scenarios.

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Some participants have made progress in calculating the velocity and direction of the third particle, while others are probing the reasoning behind these calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the velocities and the conservation of momentum, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants are discussing relativistic effects and the implications of different reference frames. There are indications of confusion regarding the application of relativistic equations and the assumptions underlying the calculations.

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If a particle of mass M is at rest in a lab when it decays into 3 identical particles of mass m with:
particle 1: having a velocity of 4c/5 in the -i direction vector
particle 2: having a velocity of 3c/5 in the -j direction vector
particle 3: having an unknown velocity in a direction defined by an unknown Θ

how would a find the direction and speed of particle #3 with respect to the lab, with respect to particle #2. And also the ration of M/m

I've tried computing the average direction and velocity of particles 1 and 2 then reversing the direction vector but i think I'm going about it the wrong way.

thanks in advance guys.
 
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How would you do this if it were not relativistic?
 
i was able to solve v for #3 to be .837c at 29.4 degrees
 
How did you do that?
 
used equation gamma(mu)=p . For particle #3 got a velocit of m<-4/3c,-3/4c>. arctan (3/4 / 4/3 )=29.36
now I am trying to use u_y'= u_y/(gamma(1-(u_xv/c^2))) to find the relative y velocity between them but ended up with 1.017c
 
For particle #3 got a velocit of m<-4/3c,-3/4c>
... what is the magnitude of this velocity?
What direction should the velocity be pointing in for momentum to be conserved?
(You should also specify the reference frame.)

Sounds like you are just plugging numbers into equations.
What was your reasoning?
 

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