Conserved Energy in a moving frame of reference
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Tinhorn
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so mg for weight
and mg sin theta cos theta in the x
mg cos ^2 theta in the y
how does that make fr = mgsinθcosθ x+ mgsin^2y
and mg sin theta cos theta in the x
mg cos ^2 theta in the y
how does that make fr = mgsinθcosθ x+ mgsin^2y
Tinhorn
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Can i say mgsinθ is the force moving the box down the slope
since the x and y components of the force A is
[itex]A_{x}[/itex]= A*cosθ
[itex]A_{y}[/itex]= A*sinθ
I can say mg sin θ = mg sinθcosθ + [itex]mgsin^{2}[/itex]
and since weight or gravity is also working on the box
which is -mg on the y component.
dot product would be
[itex]mgsinθcosθ _{x}[/itex]- [itex]mgsin^{2} _{y}[/itex]
which is the resultant (i copied the sign wrong last time)
since the x and y components of the force A is
[itex]A_{x}[/itex]= A*cosθ
[itex]A_{y}[/itex]= A*sinθ
I can say mg sin θ = mg sinθcosθ + [itex]mgsin^{2}[/itex]
and since weight or gravity is also working on the box
which is -mg on the y component.
dot product would be
[itex]mgsinθcosθ _{x}[/itex]- [itex]mgsin^{2} _{y}[/itex]
which is the resultant (i copied the sign wrong last time)
Mentor
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That's the correct resultant, but I don't follow your reasoning. Here's how you get it by adding the force components you found earlier:Tinhorn said:Can i say mgsinθ is the force moving the box down the slope
since the x and y components of the force A is
[itex]A_{x}[/itex]= A*cosθ
[itex]A_{y}[/itex]= A*sinθ
I can say mg sin θ = mg sinθcosθ + [itex]mgsin^{2}[/itex]
and since weight or gravity is also working on the box
which is -mg on the y component.
dot product would be
[itex]mgsinθcosθ _{x}[/itex]- [itex]mgsin^{2} _{y}[/itex]
which is the resultant (i copied the sign wrong last time)
Add the x components (there's only one): mgcosθsinθ
Add the y components: mgcos2θ - mg = -mgsin2θ
Tinhorn
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I get it.
but i had always thought the x and y components of the force A is
Ax= A*cosθ
Ay= A*sinθ
why does normal force have sin in its component
and cos in its component
but i had always thought the x and y components of the force A is
Ax= A*cosθ
Ay= A*sinθ
why does normal force have sin in its component
and cos in its component
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Right, when θ is given with respect to the horizontal. (It's reversed when θ is with respect to the vertical.)Tinhorn said:I get it.
but i had always thought the x and y components of the force A is
Ax= A*cosθ
Ay= A*sinθ
Using your notation, A is the normal force, thus A = mgcosθ. When you find its components, you'll get the additional sine and cosine factors.why does normal force have sin in its component
and cos in its component
Tinhorn
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One last question
if ΔKE = [itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex][itex]mv^{2}_{x}[/itex] + [itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex][itex]mv^{2}_{y}[/itex]
why is ΔKE also -[itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex][itex]mv^{2}_{x}[/itex] + [itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex][itex]mv^{2}_{y}[/itex]
should'nt it be -ΔKE
if ΔKE = [itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex][itex]mv^{2}_{x}[/itex] + [itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex][itex]mv^{2}_{y}[/itex]
why is ΔKE also -[itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex][itex]mv^{2}_{x}[/itex] + [itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex][itex]mv^{2}_{y}[/itex]
should'nt it be -ΔKE
Mentor
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That's an expression for KE, not ΔKE, right?Tinhorn said:One last question
if ΔKE = [itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex][itex]mv^{2}_{x}[/itex] + [itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex][itex]mv^{2}_{y}[/itex]
I don't know what you are asking.why is ΔKE also -[itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex][itex]mv^{2}_{x}[/itex] + [itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex][itex]mv^{2}_{y}[/itex]
should'nt it be -ΔKE
Tinhorn
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got it
wasnt clear about the question but i got it
wasnt clear about the question but i got it
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