Consider a trig function such as: y = A cos (bx - c)

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The discussion focuses on understanding phase shifts in trigonometric functions, specifically in the context of the equation y = A cos(bx - c) and its variations. It clarifies that the phase shift is calculated as -c/b for the standard form, while for y = A cos(-bx + c), the phase shift becomes +c/-b, indicating a negative shift. The algebraic manipulation of the equation is questioned, particularly regarding the legality of deriving phase shifts. The conversation emphasizes visualizing these shifts in relation to the basic cosine function and its periodic nature. Overall, the key takeaway is the importance of correctly applying phase shift formulas based on the function's structure.
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Consider a trig function such as: y = A cos (bx - c)

For the phase shift, we would use (-c/b); which aligns with the original function equation and makes sense to me.

But in the case of a trig function such as: y = A cos (-bx + c)

For the phase shift, we would use (+c/-b); which would be a negative phase shift instead of the positive phase shift. This is probably because my school just gave us a mechanism for phase shift of simply dividing c by b. But doing this:

-bx + c = 0 -> x = -c/-b -> is this legal algebraically?

Seems to be different answer, +c which would align with the function. (y = A cos (-bx + c))

In the case of a negative B and a positive C, could I just put it together like y = [-b(x-(-c))] and use the standard c/b type approach?

Any help in 'visualizing' this problem would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks so much for your patience.

mk
 
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majinkenji said:
Consider a trig function such as: y = A cos (bx - c)

For the phase shift, we would use (-c/b); which aligns with the original function equation and makes sense to me.

But in the case of a trig function such as: y = A cos (-bx + c)

For the phase shift, we would use (+c/-b); which would be a negative phase shift instead of the positive phase shift. This is probably because my school just gave us a mechanism for phase shift of simply dividing c by b. But doing this:

-bx + c = 0 -> x = -c/-b -> is this legal algebraically?

Seems to be different answer, +c which would align with the function. (y = A cos (-bx + c))

In the case of a negative B and a positive C, could I just put it together like y = [-b(x-(-c))] and use the standard c/b type approach?

Any help in 'visualizing' this problem would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks so much for your patience.

mk

Let's look at the equation y = cos(-bx + c) = cos(-b(x - c/b))

Relative to the graph of y = cos(-bx) (which is exactly the same as y = cos(bx)), the -c/b term is a phase shift. The shift is to the right by c/b units of the graph of y = cos(bx).
 
Mark44 said:
Let's look at the equation y = cos(-bx + c) = cos(-b(x - c/b))

Relative to the graph of y = cos(-bx) (which is exactly the same as y = cos(bx)), the -c/b term is a phase shift. The shift is to the right by c/b units of the graph of y = cos(bx).

Thanks! Had to play around with it for a bit!
 
I think the simplest way of looking at it is this: the "basic" function, cos(\theta), has period 2\pi. It starts one period at 0 and ends at 2\pi. So cos(bx+ c) starts a period where bx+ c= 0 and ends at bx+ c= 2\pi. Solving x, a period starts at x= -c/b and ends at x= (2\pi- c)/b. The "phase shift" is -c/b and the period is (2\pi- c)/b-(-c/b)= 2\pi/b.
 
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