Consider a trig function such as: y = A cos (bx - c)

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The discussion revolves around the phase shift of trigonometric functions, specifically in the context of the equation y = A cos(bx - c) and its variations. Participants are exploring how to determine the phase shift when the function is altered, such as y = A cos(-bx + c).

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  • Participants are examining the algebraic manipulation involved in determining phase shifts and questioning the legality of certain algebraic steps. There is also discussion about the implications of negative coefficients and how they affect the phase shift interpretation.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between the phase shift and the graph of the function, noting that the phase shift can be interpreted as a rightward shift by c/b units. Others are still exploring different interpretations and approaches to the problem.

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There is mention of differing educational approaches to teaching phase shifts, which may contribute to confusion regarding the algebraic processes involved. Participants are encouraged to visualize the problem to enhance understanding.

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Consider a trig function such as: y = A cos (bx - c)

For the phase shift, we would use (-c/b); which aligns with the original function equation and makes sense to me.

But in the case of a trig function such as: y = A cos (-bx + c)

For the phase shift, we would use (+c/-b); which would be a negative phase shift instead of the positive phase shift. This is probably because my school just gave us a mechanism for phase shift of simply dividing c by b. But doing this:

-bx + c = 0 -> x = -c/-b -> is this legal algebraically?

Seems to be different answer, +c which would align with the function. (y = A cos (-bx + c))

In the case of a negative B and a positive C, could I just put it together like y = [-b(x-(-c))] and use the standard c/b type approach?

Any help in 'visualizing' this problem would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks so much for your patience.

mk
 
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majinkenji said:
Consider a trig function such as: y = A cos (bx - c)

For the phase shift, we would use (-c/b); which aligns with the original function equation and makes sense to me.

But in the case of a trig function such as: y = A cos (-bx + c)

For the phase shift, we would use (+c/-b); which would be a negative phase shift instead of the positive phase shift. This is probably because my school just gave us a mechanism for phase shift of simply dividing c by b. But doing this:

-bx + c = 0 -> x = -c/-b -> is this legal algebraically?

Seems to be different answer, +c which would align with the function. (y = A cos (-bx + c))

In the case of a negative B and a positive C, could I just put it together like y = [-b(x-(-c))] and use the standard c/b type approach?

Any help in 'visualizing' this problem would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks so much for your patience.

mk

Let's look at the equation y = cos(-bx + c) = cos(-b(x - c/b))

Relative to the graph of y = cos(-bx) (which is exactly the same as y = cos(bx)), the -c/b term is a phase shift. The shift is to the right by c/b units of the graph of y = cos(bx).
 
Mark44 said:
Let's look at the equation y = cos(-bx + c) = cos(-b(x - c/b))

Relative to the graph of y = cos(-bx) (which is exactly the same as y = cos(bx)), the -c/b term is a phase shift. The shift is to the right by c/b units of the graph of y = cos(bx).

Thanks! Had to play around with it for a bit!
 
I think the simplest way of looking at it is this: the "basic" function, cos(\theta), has period 2\pi. It starts one period at 0 and ends at 2\pi. So cos(bx+ c) starts a period where bx+ c= 0 and ends at bx+ c= 2\pi. Solving x, a period starts at x= -c/b and ends at x= (2\pi- c)/b. The "phase shift" is -c/b and the period is (2\pi- c)/b-(-c/b)= 2\pi/b.
 

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