Constructing Norms on Tensor Products of Finite Dimensional Vector Spaces

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The discussion revolves around the construction of norms on tensor products of finite dimensional vector spaces, specifically focusing on the definition and properties of such norms in the context of various existing norms on the component spaces. Participants explore different approaches to defining a norm on the tensor product space V⊗W, including the implications of crossnorms and the use of singular value decomposition.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes defining a norm on V⊗W such that for pure tensors, the norm satisfies the crossnorm condition, specifically \|v⊗w\|ₒ = \|v\|_V\|w\|_W.
  • Another participant suggests using singular value decomposition on the coefficients of the tensor to define a norm through a convex function F, although they express uncertainty about whether this construction yields a valid norm.
  • A later reply questions the validity of the norm for arbitrary convex functions and notes potential non-uniqueness for certain norms on V and W.
  • One participant references the projective cross norm as a known construction, providing a formula for it, while expressing a desire for more intuitive constructions in finite dimensions.
  • Another participant acknowledges the projective and injective tensor norms but indicates a preference for p-norms for their purposes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and uniqueness of norms constructed via singular value decomposition and convex functions. There is no consensus on a definitive construction or the properties of the proposed norms.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion is limited to finite dimensional vector spaces and that the implications of different norms on V and W may affect the uniqueness and validity of the constructed norms.

Pere Callahan
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I was wondering about useful norms on tensor products of finite dimensional vector spaces.

Let V,W be two such vector spaces with bases \{v_1,\ldots,v_{d_1}\} and \{w_1,\ldots,w_{d_2}\}. We further assume that each is equipped with a norm, ||\cdot||_V and ||\cdot||_W.

Then the tensor product space V\otimes W is the vector space with basis \{v_i\otimes w_j:1\leq i\leq d_1, 1\leq j\leq d_2\}.

I have read a lot about norming the tensor product of two Banach spaces and there a lot of different choices can be made it seems. For the finite dimensional case I would be interested to know how one defines a norm \|\cdot\|_\otimes on V\otimes W such that for pure tensors it holds that \|v\otimes w\|_\otimes=\|u\|_V\|w\|_W. Such norm are called crossnorms in the Banach space context (or so it seems) but I have not seen a construction of such a norm even for the finite dimensional case.

This is no homework.

Thanks,
PereEDIT:

It appears that if \|\sum_{i=1}^{d_1}{x_iv_i}\|_V is defined as \sum_{i=1}^{d_1}{|x_i|} and similarly for W then one could define
<br /> \|\sum_{i,j}\gamma_{ij}v_i\otimes w_j\|_\otimes = \sum_{i,j}{|\gamma_{ij}|}.<br />
This would be a norm and would satisfy the crossnorm condition because
<br /> \left\|v\otimes w\right\|_\otimes=\left\|\left(\sum_{i=1}^{d_1}x_iv_i\right)\otimes\left(\sum_{j=1}^{d_2}y_jw_j\right)\right\|_\otimes = \left\|\sum_{ij}x_iy_j v_i\otimes w_j\right\|_\otimes = \sum_{ij}|x_i||y_j|=\|v\|_V\|w\|_W.<br />

However there should be a more general construction for arbitrary norms on V and W.
 
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This is late so I may be wrong, but here's what I think.

In the general case, you can take

\sum_{i,j}\gamma_{ij}v_i\otimes w_j

and apply singular value decomposition to \gamma, thus rewriting your element in the form

\sum_i \gamma_i v&#039;_i \otimes w&#039;_i

such that

\|v&#039;_i\|_V = \|w&#039;_i\|_W = 1

and then use any convex function F(\gamma_i) such that F(1,0,...0)=1, ..., F(\alpha \gamma_i) = |\alpha| F(\gamma_i)to define

<br /> \|\sum_{i,j}\gamma_{ij}v_i\otimes w_j\|_\otimes = F(\gamma_i).<br />

Crossnorm condition is satisfied by construction. It is a bit tricky to prove that it is a norm, triangle inequality looks particularly challenging ... Maybe try special cases F(\gamma_i) = \sum_i |\gamma_i| and F(\gamma_i) = \sqrt{\sum_i \gamma_i^2}.
 
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On further thought, I began to doubt that it's a norm for any, let alone all F. Besides, for some norms on V and W, it may not be unique.

Oh well, I don't know then...
 
Thanks for your thought hamster. I also don't see how the general construction with the SVD and a convex function F would give a norm. Well, the example I gave in my first post certainly extends to all p-norms on V and W and maybe that's enough.
 
Yes I knew about the projective and injective tensor norms. I just found them little intuitive and was hoping for more explicit constructions in the finite dimensional case. But I think for my purposes the p-norms will do.
 

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