How Does Tensor Product Decomposition Work in SU(2) Representations?

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Homework Statement


Construct the decompositions ##\mathbf 2 \otimes \mathbf 2 = \mathbf 3 \oplus \mathbf 1##, where ##\mathbf N## is the representation of su(2) with ##\mathbf N## states and thus spin j=1/2 (N-1).

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Substates within a state labelled by j can take on values -j to j in integer steps

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I think I get the idea but was hoping someone could just make sure I understand things correctly.
So we consider some states in the ##\mathbf 2## representation of SU(2), labelled as ##|j_1, m_1 \rangle## and take the tensor product of this with another state ##|j_2, m_2 \rangle##. If N=2, then j=1/2. So states are |1/2, 1/2> and |1/2,-1/2>, So out of these two states can form four possible tensor products. Take for example, $$|1/2, 1/2 \rangle \otimes |1/2, 1/2 \rangle$$ Then by Clebsch Gordan, possible states are ##|J.M\rangle## where ##|j_1 - j_2| < J < j_1 + j_2## and ##-J < M < J##? So the r.h.s is ##|0,0\rangle + |1,0\rangle + |1,-1 \rangle + |1,1\rangle## which is exactly those states in ##\mathbf 3 \oplus \mathbf 1##?

I am just wondering how the |0,0> state is part of ##\mathbf 3 \oplus \mathbf 1## on the r.hs? ##\mathbf 1## contains |0,0> but ##\mathbf 3## is always of the form ##|1,-1>, |1,0> ## or ##|1,1>##.

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You will need to use the angular momentum generators to solve this problem, specifically in the basis ##J_z, J_\pm##. You will have to determine the eigenstates of the total angular momentum ##J_i = J^{(1)}_i + J^{(2)}_i ## for the states of the form ##|j_1,m_1\rangle\otimes|j_2,m_2\rangle##. The properties under ##J_\pm## will tell you whether a state belongs to the singlet or triplet. For instance, you should find two eigenfunctions with ##J_z|j,m\rangle =0##. One eigenstate will satisfy ##J_\pm |j,m\rangle= 0##, but the other will give another eigenstate,
 
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You will need to use the angular momentum generators to solve this problem, specifically in the basis ##J_z, J_\pm##. You will have to determine the eigenstates of the total angular momentum ##J_i = J^{(1)}_i + J^{(2)}_i ## for the states of the form ##|j_1,m_1\rangle\otimes|j_2,m_2\rangle##. The properties under ##J_\pm## will tell you whether a state belongs to the singlet or triplet. For instance, you should find two eigenfunctions with ##J_z|j,m\rangle =0##. One eigenstate will satisfy ##J_\pm |j,m\rangle= 0##, but the other will give another eigenstate,
Ok, so ##J_z |j,m\rangle = m |j, m \rangle## and ##J_{\pm} |j,m\rangle = \sqrt{(j \mp m)(j \pm m -1)} |j, m\pm 1 \rangle##. The two eigenfunctions with ##J_z |j,m\rangle = 0## are |0,0> and |1,0>. |0,0> satisfies ##J_{\pm} |0,0> = 0##, while ##J_{\pm} |1,0\rangle = \sqrt{2} |1, \pm 1 \rangle##. So acting with the ##J_{\pm}## operators on the |0,0> does not take you to another state in the representation labelled by j=0 (since there is no other state), so |0,0> is a singlet. Similarly, acting with the step operators on |1,0>, |1,-1> or |1,1> take us to another state within the representation labelled by j=1 with the property that ##J_{-} |1,-1\rangle =0## and ##J_{+} |1,1\rangle = 0##.

So I conclude that ##\mathbf 1 = \left\{|0,0\rangle \right\}## and ##\mathbf 3 = \left\{|1,-1 \rangle, |1,0 \rangle, |1,1\rangle \right\}##.

I am not seeing why this helps me to solve the decomposition problem ##\mathbf 2 \otimes \mathbf 2 = \mathbf 3 \oplus \mathbf 1##?
Thanks!
 
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Hi fzero,

Ok, so ##J_z |j,m\rangle = m |j, m \rangle## and ##J_{\pm} |j,m\rangle = \sqrt{(j \mp m)(j \pm m -1)} |j, m\pm 1 \rangle##. The two eigenfunctions with ##J_z |j,m\rangle = 0## are |0,0> and |1,0>. |0,0> satisfies ##J_{\pm} |0,0> = 0##, while ##J_{\pm} |1,0\rangle = \sqrt{2} |1, \pm 1 \rangle##. So acting with the ##J_{\pm}## operators on the |0,0> does not take you to another state in the representation labelled by j=0 (since there is no other state), so |0,0> is a singlet. Similarly, acting with the step operators on |1,0>, |1,-1> or |1,1> take us to another state within the representation labelled by j=1 with the property that ##J_{-} |1,-1\rangle =0## and ##J_{+} |1,1\rangle = 0##.

So I conclude that ##\mathbf 1 = \left\{|0,0\rangle \right\}## and ##\mathbf 3 = \left\{|1,-1 \rangle, |1,0 \rangle, |1,1\rangle \right\}##.

I am not seeing why this helps me to solve the decomposition problem ##\mathbf 2 \otimes \mathbf 2 = \mathbf 3 \oplus \mathbf 1##?
Thanks!

You want to find the linear combinations of the product states ##|j_1,m_1\rangle\otimes|j_2,m_2\rangle## that are eigenstates of the total angular momentum. So you're going to solve
$$ | j,m\rangle = \sum_{j_1,m_1;j_2,m_2} C^{jm}_{j_1 m_1 j_2 m_2} |j_1,m_1\rangle\otimes|j_2,m_2\rangle,$$
where the coefficients are the Clebsch-Gordan coefficients. You already understand the algebra for the left-hand side of this, so now you want to work it out on the right-hand side.
 
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fzero said:
You want to find the linear combinations of the product states ##|j_1,m_1\rangle\otimes|j_2,m_2\rangle## that are eigenstates of the total angular momentum. So you're going to solve
$$ | j,m\rangle = \sum_{j_1,m_1;j_2,m_2} C^{jm}_{j_1 m_1 j_2 m_2} |j_1,m_1\rangle\otimes|j_2,m_2\rangle,$$
where the coefficients are the Clebsch-Gordan coefficients. You already understand the algebra for the left-hand side of this, so now you want to work it out on the right-hand side.
I see, ok so I guess it would be best to work with the state ##|1,1\rangle = C|1/2, 1/2 \rangle \otimes |1/2, 1/2 \rangle## since then C=1 and subsequent states can be found by applying ##J_-## to this. But how does ##J_{-} (|1/2, 1/2 \rangle \otimes |1/2, 1/2 \rangle)## work? Do we apply the operator in turn to each of the states, like ##J_{-} (A \otimes B) = (J_{-}A) \otimes B + A \otimes (J_{-} B)##?

Thanks!
 
CAF123 said:
I see, ok so I guess it would be best to work with the state ##|1,1\rangle = C|1/2, 1/2 \rangle \otimes |1/2, 1/2 \rangle## since then C=1 and subsequent states can be found by applying ##J_-## to this. But how does ##J_{-} (|1/2, 1/2 \rangle \otimes |1/2, 1/2 \rangle)## work? Do we apply the operator in turn to each of the states, like ##J_{-} (A \otimes B) = (J_{-}A) \otimes B + A \otimes (J_{-} B)##?

Thanks!

Yes, and since the total angular momentum is ##J_i=J^{(1)}_i+J^{(2)}_i##, we can write this as ##J_{-} (A \otimes B) = (J_{-}^{(1)}A) \otimes B + A \otimes (J_{-}^{(2)} B)##.
 
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