Contradiction vs contraposition

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The discussion revolves around the differences between proof techniques in logic, specifically "proof by contraposition" and "proof by contradiction." Participants explore the implications of these methods within classical and intuitionist logic, as well as their effectiveness and clarity in proving theorems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the equivalence of the expressions related to the theorem ##p \rightarrow q##, with differing views on the correct formulation of negations.
  • One participant asserts that the two proof approaches are logically equivalent in classical first-order predicate logic, but may yield different results in intuitionist logic.
  • Another participant clarifies the process of proof by contraposition, emphasizing the clear path from assuming ##\neg q## to deriving ##\neg p##.
  • In contrast, proof by contradiction is described as less clear, as it involves assuming ##p \wedge \neg q## and deriving a contradiction without a specified outcome.
  • Concerns are raised about the reliability of proof by contradiction, noting that mistakes can lead to false contradictions without valid conclusions.
  • It is mentioned that proof by contradiction does not provide a constructive solution, merely confirming the assumption's invalidity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the clarity and effectiveness of proof by contradiction compared to proof by contraposition. There is no consensus on the superiority of one method over the other, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding their implications in different logical frameworks.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence on classical versus intuitionist logic, indicating that the validity of the approaches may vary based on the underlying logical system. There are also unresolved issues regarding the correct formulation of negations in the context of the theorem.

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Say I have the theorem ##p \rightarrow q##. What is the difference between proving that ##\neg q \rightarrow \neg p## is true and showing that ##\neg (p \rightarrow q) = \neg p \wedge q## leads to a contradiction?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
##\neg (p \rightarrow q) = \neg p \wedge q##
That should be ##\neg (p \rightarrow q) = \neg q \wedge p##. If you are careful with statements like "for all" and "there exists", then they are all the same thing.
 
That last formula should be ##p\wedge \neg q##.

Subject to that, the two approaches are logically equivalent in classical first-order predicate logic, which is all that mathematicians that don't specialise in logic worry about.

In intuitionist logic and other logics where some of the basic axioms such as ##\neg\neg p\leftrightarrow p## are not accepted, the approaches may give different results.
 
You are asking about the difference between "Proof by contraposition" and "Proof by contradiction", and here is an example.To prove p \rightarrow q:

- In proof by contraposition you start by assuming that \neg q is true and derive the statement \neg p. Here, the path is clear, i.e. you start at \neg q and arrive at \neg p.

- In proof by contradiction your start by assuming that the opposite of p \rightarrow q is true. So you assume that p \wedge \neg q is true and derive some contradiction. Here the path is not clear, nobody is going to tell you what the contradiction is and what it looks like.
 
The trouble with "proof by contradiction" is that if you make a mistake somewhere, you can easily end up in a contradiction without actually proving anything.

Another point against "proof by contradiction" is that it does not help you in solving anything, it just says that the assumption is proved (but not how).
 

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