Control Systems Engineering - Block Reduction Help

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The discussion focuses on block reduction in control systems engineering, specifically addressing a block diagram involving a forward path of 2/(s+4) and negative feedback of 2. The user attempted to simplify the diagram using the formula (K G(s))/(1 + K*G(s)*H(s)), resulting in a forward path of 3/(s+10) and a negative feedback of 6s+1. Participants provided insights on adjusting the placement of the 1/s block and the 6s path to achieve correct reductions, highlighting common pitfalls in block diagram manipulation.

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Homework Statement



Hello,

I'm trying to reduce the following block diagram

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I appear to be having some issues in doing this. The first thing that I did to reduce this block diagram was to take the forward path that has 2/(s+4) with negative feedback of 2, and reduce this by

(K G(s))/(1 + K*G(s)*H(s)) = (3/(s+4))/(1 + 6/(s+4)) = 3/(s+4 + 6) = 3/(s+10)

I also moved the 1/s block to the left of the summation. This resulted in a parallel path with a gain of one. I reduced this to simply a forward path with 1/s + 1.

I then did the following with 6s and the negative feedback with a gain of 1

This resulted in a reduced diagram with

(1/s +1)*3/(s+10)

in the forward path with a negative feedback of 6s+1

I guess I have done something wrong, and I'm not exactly sure what. Below is a picture of what I did.

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Thanks for any help. I guess I'm doing something wrong, but am not exactly sure what it is I'm doing wrong.
 
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GreenPrint said:
I also moved the 1/s block to the left of the summation. This resulted in a parallel path with a gain of one. I reduced this to simply a forward path with 1/s + 1.

When you did this, did you remember to adjust the 6s path as well? TBH I worked hard to forget all this stuff. But I'm pretty sure I got stuck on this exact question as well =D
Could you try moving the 1/s instead to the right? That way you'd only need to adjust the foward path 1 to S

You could also try moving the 6s into the 1 feedback, but would have to adjust that forward back then to 1-6s I really hated these was always much better with the equations :)
 
GreenPrint said:
I also moved the 1/s block to the left of the summation. This resulted in a parallel path with a gain of one. I reduced this to simply a forward path with 1/s + 1.

like cpscdave said there is your problem
 

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