Control systems: Simplifying block diagram

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Homework Statement


How to show a block diagram can be simplified to a standard first order form for the diagram shown in the image attached and the question is shown in 1.a

Homework Equations


Standard first order form K/(1+tD) where K gain and t is time constant

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So i got ((Kb*H-h)*Kp-4)*1/2s = h Is this correct? and how do i show it in standard first order form from here? Thanks
 

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Figure 1 shows two closed loops: An inner and an outer loop.

Use Mason's rule to calculate the transfer function as for the inner loop.

Insert this inner transfer function in the outer loop and use Mason again to calculate h(s)/H(s) for the outer loop ( the transfer function for the outer loop ).

The characteristic equation for h(s)/H(s) will be in the form:

as + b = 0 → τ = b / a.
 
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Hesch sorry I am not quite sure how from what youve said i can show it is a first order system as i need to show it in the form h = K/(1+tD), I am just not sure how to get there from what i worked out
 
MattH150197 said:
i need to show it in the form h = K/(1+tD)

You don't need to show in this form.

Using Mason you should get:

h(s)/H(s) = Kp * Kb / ( 2s + 4 + Kp ) →

h(s) = H(s) * Kp * Kb / ( 2s + 4 + Kp )
( if you wish )
 
MattH150197 said:
So i got ((Kb*H-h)*Kp-4)*1/2s = h Is this correct?
I think it's nearly there; Check what's fed back via the "4" block. That 4 looks mighty lonely in your equation, given that the term its being summed with is bound to have some units associated with it... :smile: .
 
Hesch said:
h(s) = H(s) * Kp * Kb / ( 2s + 4 + Kp )
To determine the steady state gain from the above equation, let s → 0, so

h(0) = H(0) * Kp * Kb / ( 4 + Kp )
 
Ah yeah i understand what you have done now actually Hesch, thanks for the help guys.