Control Systems Theory: Determing break frequency mathematically.

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The discussion focuses on determining the time constant, T, in the open loop transfer function TF = K/(T*s^2 + s) given a break frequency of w_b = 10 rad/s. The user seeks a mathematical approach rather than relying solely on Bode plots. A key recommendation is to rewrite the transfer function as K/s(Ts+1) = (K/T)/s(s + 1/T) to facilitate the analysis. Additionally, it is emphasized that the variable 't' should not be used in the transfer function, as it can lead to confusion.

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Hey there.

I have an open loop transfer function TF = K/(t*s^2 + s) where K is known. Given a value for the break frequency (say, w_b = 10 rad/s), I have to determine the value of the time constant, t.

I understand how do this with a bode plot, but not entirely sure how to proceed mathematically.

Thank you!

btbam91
 
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First, rewrite the function into K/s(Ts+1) = (K/T)/s(s + 1/T).
So now, looking at it that way, for what value of ω does the break occur?

I would like to see or have described your Bode plot with exact abscissa and ordinate values. If you did this right it's obvious what the gain and the time constant are. It's also very helpful to understand the relationship between your TF and the Bode plot.

BTW don't use t in your transfer function. t is always a variable. Use T or tau.
 

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