Conversion of Thermal Energy into Work

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The discussion revolves around a question from an IB Physics HL mock exam regarding the conversion of thermal energy into work in single and cyclical processes. The participant initially believed that answer B was correct, asserting that complete conversion can never occur, while the mark sheet indicated answer A as correct. The confusion stems from the interpretation of ideal gas behavior during isothermal expansion, where the participant argues that some energy must be drawn from the surroundings. Clarification is sought on the reasoning behind the correct answer, emphasizing the complexities of energy transfer in real systems versus ideal models. The conversation highlights the nuances of thermodynamic principles in educational assessments.
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This question appeared in my IB Physics HL mock exam and I am stumped by the answer on the mark sheet. It really should be a trivial question but it's open to interpretation which is why I find it unreasonable. It was in Paper 1 from November 2014,

1. Homework Statement ?

Which of the following is true when thermal energy is converted into work in a single process and a cyclical process:
Single process: / Cyclical process:
A: complete conversion of thermal energy into work can occur / energy must be transferred from system
B: complete conversion of thermal energy into work can never occur / energy must be transferred from system
C: complete conversion of thermal energy into work can occur / energy need not be transferred from system
D: complete conversion of thermal energy into work can never occur / energy need not be transferred from system

The Attempt at a Solution



I was totally happy eliminating answers C and D which left A and B. I answered B. The answer on the mark sheet was A.

The only way I can rationalize the answer comes from the possibility of a slow isothermal expansion of an ideal gas with a piston moving into a vacuum (so with a heat reservoir so the gas in the piston is at thermal equilibrium). However, an ideal gas is exactly that. If they had specified an ideal gas in the question I would have less trouble agreeing with this answer, however, I think the reality is, is that I am pulling in some heat from the surroundings to overcome the attraction between molecules, even if such an energy transfer is very minute. So while according to the ideal gas model A is correct, what is true is B?

Would anyone be able to clarify as to why the above argument is wrong?
 
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3432401GSPT said:
why the above argument is wrong?
You'll have to give us some idea what has been covered for you in "IB."
 
Even for a substance that is not an ideal gas, so that the internal energy is a function of both temperature and pressure (or specific volume), there must be a way of getting from an initial state to the final state having the same internal energy, but not necessarily the same temperature and pressure.

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