Cosine Rule: n=2,3-x,y,z Calculation

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Cosine Rule in the context of triangles formed by sides defined by variables x, y, and z, particularly examining cases when n equals 2 and higher values of n. Participants explore the implications of changing the exponent in the equation x^n + y^n = z^n on the properties of the triangles formed.

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  • Participants question the significance of the angle between sides x and y in relation to the ratio x/y for n greater than 2, noting that it is always 90 degrees when n equals 2. There is also discussion about the nature of the triangle formed and the conditions under which the sides can be considered perpendicular.

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Some participants have provided insights into the limitations of applying the Cosine Rule when n is not equal to 2, suggesting that the properties of triangles change significantly. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of using different powers in the context of triangle geometry.

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Participants note the need to check the condition z < x + y when forming triangles and discuss the potential for irrational sides when using powers higher than 2, as well as the geometric implications of such changes.

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Homework Statement
Is it significant that the angle between x and y in a triangle sides x y and z based in the equation below , is dependent on the ratio x/y when n is greater than 2 yet is always 90 degrees when n = 2?
Relevant Equations
x^n + y^n - z^n = 0
n = 3,x = 1, y = 10 z = (10^3 +9^3)^(1/3 = (1000 + 1729)^1/3
Cos (Angle xy) = (x^2 +y^2-z^2)/(2 x.y)
n = 2,x= 3, y=4 z = (3^2 +4^2)^0.5 = 5
Cos (Angle xy) = (3^2 +4^2 -5^2)/(2.3.4) = cos (0) = 1
 
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Terry Coates said:
Homework Statement:: Is it significant that the angle between x and y in a triangle sides x y and z based in the equation below , is dependent on the ratio x/y when n is greater than 2 yet is always 90 degrees when n = 2?
Relevant Equations:: x^n + y^n - z^n = 0

n = 3,x = 1, y = 10 z = (10^3 +9^3)^(1/3 = (1000 + 1729)^1/3
Cos (Angle xy) = (x^2 +y^2-z^2)/(2 x.y)
n = 2,x= 3, y=4 z = (3^2 +4^2)^0.5 = 5
Cos (Angle xy) = (3^2 +4^2 -5^2)/(2.3.4) = cos (0) = 1
I don't understand what you're asking. In the Cosine Rule (AKA Law of Cosines), the exponent is fixed at 2. When you change the exponent to 3 or higher, you're no longer dealing with the Law of Cosines or triangles.
In your second example, the triangle is a 3-4-5 right triangle, so naturally the cosine of the right angle is 0.
 
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Usually x,y, and z are perpendicular coordinates, and you don't make a triangle out of their lengths. If you attempt to, then in most cases, the x and y are no longer perpendicular. (I think you found the one case, ##n=2 ##, for which they are perpendicular). You also need to check that ## z<x+y ##. (Perhaps you already did).
 
Charles Link said:
Usually x,y, and z are perpendicular coordinates, and you don't make a triangle out of their lengths. If you attempt to, then in most cases, the x and y are no longer perpendicular. (I think you found the one case, ##n=2 ##, for which they are perpendicular). You also need to check that ## z<x+y ##. (Perhaps you already did).
Thanks. Rather a silly question. It came about because I have been comparing what applies with a power higher than 2, to what applies with a modular power 2 then for instance, you get irrational sides to a triangle. also you get an oval curve instead of an ellipse. Nearest to an ellipse with power 5.
 

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