Cosine, Sin, Tangent when find force/tension

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The discussion revolves around the application of trigonometric functions, specifically sine and cosine, in calculating forces and tensions in a physics problem involving a suspended loudspeaker. Participants explore the reasoning behind using these functions to resolve forces into their components.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving a loudspeaker suspended by cables and expresses confusion about using sine and cosine to find force components.
  • Another participant clarifies that sine and cosine relate to the same angle in a right triangle, emphasizing that sine corresponds to the opposite side and cosine to the adjacent side.
  • The clarification includes the assertion that knowing one angle in a right triangle allows for the determination of the other angles.
  • A later reply expresses gratitude for the clarification, indicating that it helped the participant recall the necessary concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the application of sine and cosine to the problem, but there is a lack of consensus on the initial understanding of how to apply these functions, as one participant expresses confusion while another provides clarification.

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The discussion does not resolve the participant's initial confusion regarding the use of angles in the context of the problem, and assumptions about the understanding of trigonometric functions are not fully explored.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in understanding the application of trigonometry in physics problems, particularly in the context of forces and tensions in static systems.

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Ok... so I had this down and now I am all confused ;/

I am not posting in the homework sections because its not for homework although I will gie an example of a problem... I just want to understand why/how they use these to find the force/tension...

Example:
A 20 kg loudspeaker is suspended 2m below the celing by two cables that are each 30* from vertical. What is the tension in the cables?
For this I will cable 1 T1 and cable 2 T2.

So to find the X compenent of forces
since the x would use the 30 degree angle and it would be using the hyp and adjacent sides I will use the cos of the angle to find them
-T1x + T2x = 0 N --> -T1 COS 30 + T2 Cos 30 = 0

Now where I am confused is how to find the Y compent and why you would do it the way you do... I know you use sin but I just don't understand how you can use the opposite angle if it is not known... perhaps I am missing something ... please help!
 
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You don't use a different angle. You use sine of the same angle, which instead of adjacent over hypotenuse as it was for cosine, is opposite over hypotenuse.

There is no "x uses the 30 degree angle" and y uses the opposite angle. Sine and Cosine can relate the angle and two sides of a triangle. With three variables, you need to know two to solve for the third.

Also, in this case if one angle given is 30, then you do indeed know all the other angles of the triangle. This is all done by right triangles, which means one angle has to be 90.
 
Thank you! What you said just made me remember everything somehow!
Thank you!
 
Everybody gets one.

J/k. Glad I could help.
 

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