Cosmic Bell Test: 600 yr Old "Freedom of Choice" Loophole

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In summary, a new experimental test using distant astronomical sources as "cosmic setting generators" has pushed back the possibility of local superdeterministic theories by 600 years. This experiment successfully ruled out some types of superdeterminism, but not all. It also leaves open the possibility of other loopholes such as "Last Thursdayism" or the idea that we are too limited to understand the true nature of reality.
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You got to love this! A top experimental team was assembled to test the "freedom of choice" loophole (if you can call it that). Usually, when random settings are needed in a Bell test, a computer generated value is obtained (pseudo random), or similar. This is relatively "local", and subject to the assertion that something is preventing free choice of settings for the Bell test. In this clever version, light from distant stars is used as an input to select setting values. Then a Bell test is performed. Check it out:

https://arxiv.org/abs/1611.06985

Bell's theorem states that some predictions of quantum mechanics cannot be reproduced by a local-realist theory. That conflict is expressed by Bell's inequality, which is usually derived under the assumption that there are no statistical correlations between the choices of measurement settings and anything else that can causally affect the measurement outcomes. In previous experiments, this "freedom of choice" was addressed by ensuring that selection of measurement settings via conventional "quantum random number generators" (QRNGs) was space-like separated from the entangled particle creation. This, however, left open the possibility that an unknown cause affected both the setting choices and measurement outcomes as recently as mere microseconds before each experimental trial. Here we report on a new experimental test of Bell's inequality that, for the first time, uses distant astronomical sources as "cosmic setting generators." In our tests with polarization-entangled photons, measurement settings were chosen using real-time observations of Milky Way stars while simultaneously ensuring locality. We observe statistically significant ≳11.7σ and ≳13.8σ violations of Bell's inequality with estimated p-values of ≲7.4×10−32 and ≲1.1×10−43, respectively, thereby pushing back by ∼600 years the most recent time by which any local-realist influences could have engineered the observed Bell violation.
 
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Interesting! Today I was explaining to my friends how superdeterminism is something you can't experimentally rule out. Turns out you can! Kudos to experimentalists.
 
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ShayanJ said:
Today I was explaining to my friends how superdeterminism is something you can't experimentally rule out. Turns out you can!
No you can't. At best, you can rule out some special types of superdeterminism, but not superdeterminism in general. In this case, possible superdeterminism is pushed back 600 years ago.
 
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Demystifier said:
No you can't. At best, you can rule out some special types of superdeterminism, but not superdeterminism in general.
Yeah, strictly speaking, only local superdeterministic theories are ruled out. But the whole point of superdeterminism was to preserve both locality and classical reality.
 
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Turns out you can!
Nope... All this experiment can do is establish a new upper bound on its plausibility.
only local superdeterministic theories are ruled out
Not by this experiment. The past light cone of the distant stars and the experimental apparatus still overlap, so the correlation could be the deterministic result of events in that area of overlap. Of course, that requires the implausible hypothesis that some random atomic collision millennia ago has completely determined the emission of the light that reaches the experimenter from a far-distant star and also the exact behavior of the device creating the entangled pairs... So we have a new upper bound on the plausibility.
 
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only local superdeterministic theories are ruled out
No they are not. According to this experiment, local superdeterministioc causes that happened more than 600 years ago are not ruled out.
 
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Demystifier said:
No they are not. According to this experiment, local superdeterministioc causes that happened more than 600 years ago are not ruled out.
So I misinterpreted that 600 years!
Thanks for the clarification.
 
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It also leaves open the "Last Thursdayism" loophole. :smile: In case anyone is disappointed that Bell test loopholes are being tightened or closed.
 
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It also leaves open the "Last Thursdayism" loophole.
Or my favored one: the-world-is-local-but-we-are-too-stupid-to-understand-how loophole.
 
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FAQ: Cosmic Bell Test: 600 yr Old "Freedom of Choice" Loophole

What is the "Cosmic Bell Test"?

The "Cosmic Bell Test" is an experiment designed to test the validity of quantum mechanics, specifically the principle of entanglement. It involves using two distant particles that are entangled, meaning their properties are linked, to see if they can still influence each other even when separated by a large distance.

What is the "Freedom of Choice" loophole?

The "Freedom of Choice" loophole refers to the idea that the outcome of the "Cosmic Bell Test" could be influenced by hidden variables, or factors that are unknown to the scientists conducting the experiment. This would suggest that quantum mechanics is not a complete theory and that there are other factors at play.

Why is the "Cosmic Bell Test" important?

The "Cosmic Bell Test" is important because it can provide evidence for or against the validity of quantum mechanics. If the results of the test show that the particles can still influence each other despite being separated by a large distance, it would provide strong support for the principle of entanglement and the theory of quantum mechanics.

What is the significance of the 600 year old time frame?

The 600 year old time frame refers to the distance between the two particles used in the "Cosmic Bell Test." According to the theory of relativity, information cannot travel faster than the speed of light. Therefore, if the particles are separated by more than 600 light years, any influence between them would have had to occur at a time before the particles were created, ruling out any possible hidden variables.

What implications could the results of the "Cosmic Bell Test" have?

The results of the "Cosmic Bell Test" could have significant implications for our understanding of the universe and how it operates. If the test supports the principle of entanglement and quantum mechanics, it would provide further evidence for the strange and counterintuitive nature of the quantum world. However, if the results suggest the presence of hidden variables, it could lead to a major shift in our understanding of physics and the fundamental laws of the universe.

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