Creating a High-Pressure Fire Hose: Conical vs. Cylindrical Tank Design

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of using a conical tank design to achieve high-pressure water output similar to a fire hose. The original poster questions whether a conical tank could generate the same pressure as a cylindrical tank of equal height and outlet size. It is clarified that pressure is determined by the height of the water column, not the tank shape, and that a pump is necessary to achieve the desired pressure levels. The conclusion emphasizes that a conical tank won't inherently create more pressure than a cylindrical one, and a pump is essential for effective water delivery. Overall, the design choice should consider practical pumping solutions rather than relying solely on tank shape.
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I had an idea the other day and I wondered whether or not it was possible. I want to build a water tank hooked up to a hose that can fire with the force of a real fire hose ( I'd really be delighted if I only reached half that ). Here's what the numbers:

A fire hose has roughly 8 bars of pressure.
Roughly 10 meters deep of water creates 1 bar.

It would be impractical to build my a cylindrical tank be roughly 80 meters high. Instead, I was thinking that I could use a conical shape tank. Would a conical tank of the same height and hole width at the bottom as a cylindrical tank have more pressure because of the extra water on it? Does it matter what size the hole is at the bottom?

Let's say the hole was 2 centimeters wide, the cylindrical tank will need (pi*(r^2)*h) (3.14(2[centimeters]^2)*8000[centimeters]) = 100480[milliliters?]. Using (pi*(r^2)*h)/3 for the cone volume, to try to get the same volume, (3.14(2^2)*x)/3 = 100480, x = ?). My mathematical abilities all break down here. I've been trying this for a while but can't figure it out.

Basically, will a smaller conical tank create the same pressure of a larger cylindrical tank and how high would I need the tank to be to reach the 8 bars or so pressure (I'm trying to get it all the way up to my roof).

All responses are appreciated. Thanks :)
 
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I had an idea the other day and I wondered whether or not it was possible. I want to build a water tank hooked up to a hose that can fire with the force of a real fire hose ( I'd really be delighted if I only reached half that ). Here's what the numbers:

A fire hose has roughly 8 bars of pressure.
Roughly 10 meters deep of water creates 1 bar.

It would be impractical to build my a cylindrical tank be roughly 80 meters high. Instead, I was thinking that I could use a conical shape tank. Would a conical tank of the same height and hole width at the bottom as a cylindrical tank have more pressure because of the extra water on it? Does it matter what size the hole is at the bottom?

Let's say the hole was 2 centimeters wide, the cylindrical tank will need (pi*(r^2)*h) (3.14(2[centimeters]^2)*8000[centimeters]) = 100480[milliliters?]. Using (pi*(r^2)*h)/3 for the cone volume, to try to get the same volume, (3.14(2^2)*x)/3 = 100480, x = ?). My mathematical abilities all break down here. I've been trying this for a while but can't figure it out.

Basically, will a smaller conical tank create the same pressure of a larger cylindrical tank and how high would I need the tank to be to reach the 8 bars or so pressure (I'm trying to get it all the way up to my roof).

All responses are appreciated. Thanks :)

No, the pressure just depends on the head (height of water). You need a pump -- that's what firetrucks use anyway.
 
Dang :( Thanks :D
 
I think it's easist first to watch a short vidio clip I find these videos very relaxing to watch .. I got to thinking is this being done in the most efficient way? The sand has to be suspended in the water to move it to the outlet ... The faster the water , the more turbulance and the sand stays suspended, so it seems to me the rule of thumb is the hose be aimed towards the outlet at all times .. Many times the workers hit the sand directly which will greatly reduce the water...
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