Creating a solution for all the answer choices

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a multiple-choice physics problem involving momentum and kinetic energy. Participants are tasked with finding reasonable solutions for all answer choices, particularly focusing on understanding how different values, including 1/√3, could arise in the context of the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various approaches to the problem, including drawing diagrams and applying momentum equations. There is confusion regarding how the value 1/√3 could be derived, with some suggesting it might be a trick answer. Others explore the relationship between kinetic energy and momentum to find potential connections.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively questioning assumptions and exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of kinetic energy equations, but no consensus has been reached on the derivation of the specific values.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of interpreting the multiple-choice format and the potential for misleading answer choices. There is also mention of the need to clarify the role of geometry in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


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Here is the question! Basically, we have to come up with a (reasonable) solution to all of the answer choices. It IS multiple choice, so only 1 answer is right (it is D), but we still have to find a way someone might have slipped up and made a mistake.

Homework Equations


p = mv

The Attempt at a Solution


So, I understand how to get C, D, and E. I drew a diagram and combined the vectors so the vector of the 3m mass is √2mV. And since that momentum is equal to 3mv, I solved to get v = (√2/3)V. Then for C that would just be someone making it in the opposite direction. And for E that would be solving until √2mV and leaving it as that. But I'm so lost on how someone would get 1/√3. Please help! I have been trying for 1.5 hours + and still haven't gotten anywhere.

https://imgur.com/a/mMhqV46

Here is the diagram I drew. It's basically an extension of the one in the question above.
 

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eri139 said:
... I drew a diagram
SAYING that you have drawn a diagram is of no help to us figuring out what the issue is. Show the diagram.
 
phinds said:
SAYING that you have drawn a diagram is of no help to us figuring out what the issue is. Show the diagram.
Okay...I didn't include it because I didn't think it was necessary since the diagram itself isn't the issue. But I'll put it in the description above.
 
eri139 said:
how someone would get 1/√3
The √2 comes from geometry, but there appears to be no way that √3 can. What equation might someone have used that would involve taking a square root to find a speed?
 
haruspex said:
The √2 comes from geometry, but there appears to be no way that √3 can. What equation might someone have used that would involve taking a square root to find a speed?
Uh...forgive me if I sound really dumb, but I have no clue. I have NO idea where the root 3 could come from. I'm considering just saying it's an extra answer put in there just to trick the test-taker, since I can find no alternative.
 
eri139 said:
Uh...forgive me if I sound really dumb, but I have no clue. I have NO idea where the root 3 could come from. I'm considering just saying it's an extra answer put in there just to trick the test-taker, since I can find no alternative.
Detach your thinking from the present problem if you can. When, in solving kinetics problems, does one take a square root to find a speed?
 
haruspex said:
Detach your thinking from the present problem if you can. When, in solving kinetics problems, does one take a square root to find a speed?
Would it be KE = 1/2mv^2?

Edit: okay, so now I've tried doing it like that. Would this be "correct"? :
P 1&2 = P3
P3 = 1/2m3v^2
P1 &2 = 1/2m3V^2
1/2mV^2 = 1/2m3v^2
mV^2 = m3v^2
mV^2 = 3mv^2
v = V/√3

Enough to make some physics teachers turn red with rage? :biggrin:
 
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eri139 said:
Would it be KE = 1/2mv^2?

Edit: okay, so now I've tried doing it like that. Would this be "correct"? :
P 1&2 = P3
P3 = 1/2m3v^2
P1 &2 = 1/2m3V^2
1/2mV^2 = 1/2m3v^2
mV^2 = m3v^2
mV^2 = 3mv^2
v = V/√3

Enough to make some physics teachers turn red with rage? :biggrin:
That's almost what I had in mind, but need to explain why it doesn't end up as √(2/3).
Maybe take components of the velocities of the two smaller masses before calculating the KEs: ½3mv2=2(½m(V/√2)2)?
 
haruspex said:
That's almost what I had in mind, but need to explain why it doesn't end up as √(2/3).
Maybe take components of the velocities of the two smaller masses before calculating the KEs: ½3mv2=2(½m(V/√2)2)?
Alright, I got it! Thank you for the help and putting up with me haha
 

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