Criminals and soldiers.

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so what im wondering. during a war when they have the conscription/draft. Do they take any people who are actually in jail for murder or something like that?

or if your in jail, can you gain your freedom through joining the military during a war?

Like say there's some person like the DC snipers. They are homicidal and can kill. Why not send them to the front to kill the enemy, instead of sending a non-murderer to the front have someone sitting in jail doing nothing.
 

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munky99999 said:
so what im wondering. during a war when they have the conscription/draft. Do they take any people who are actually in jail for murder or something like that?

or if your in jail, can you gain your freedom through joining the military during a war?

Like say there's some person like the DC snipers. They are homicidal and can kill. Why not send them to the front to kill the enemy, instead of sending a non-murderer to the front have someone sitting in jail doing nothing.
Most prisoners have problems following any type of authority.

The army is all about authority. Not a good combination.
 
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JasonRox said:
Most prisoners have problems following any type of authority.

The army is all about authority. Not a good combination.
I dunno. Id be interested in seeing results of this.

You see. While im not homicidal or anything. I have done like intellectual exercises to see if i could do an illegal sort of thing. BUT all the while being completely legal. I suppose i might be considered something like a corporate criminal type. Ive designed 3 scams in my head that are completely legal in canada. which result in very good profits. these scams would very very likely result in an investigation by authorities. and when they come knocking. I would admit to the things completely. All the while laughing because I didnt do anything illegal.

You see. I'd be a criminal in a way to beat the system and be scotts free. But im above average intelligence.

Now discluding people who break the law without preconception. for example the people who get angry and kill people and stuff. also disclude people who have an agenda. Like you want to kill certain people and you design how your going to do it. Anyhow im not specifically saying they have to be murderers. you can just replacing killing with robbing or whatever.

The people who are left. These people kill because thats what they do. Like they have some sort of fetish or something. wierd example would be the cannibalists. they dont have any agenda like killing a family member or friend or co-worker. They simply kill to eat. and the people being killed arent specific. you can also have fetish killers who kill for like nice skin. I can think of the one movie where the guy kills woman to wear their skin and act like a chick.

Anyhow what im trying to explain is that these criminal types are more interested in the kill. Not really the anti-authority.

Like Take these people. Give them the equipment and a picture of the enemy. parachute them lonewolf into enemy territory. and let them do their thing.
 
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They use to do this before the modern era.... making criminals into soldiers that is. The problem is...its really no comparison to your average "citizen soldier". Your average soldier WANTS to fight for his country while your average criminal... well for one, he doesn't even have respect for his countries laws!
 
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Lets put a big red flag next to the munky's username.
 
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Pengwuino said:
They use to do this before the modern era.... making criminals into soldiers that is. The problem is...its really no comparison to your average "citizen soldier". Your average soldier WANTS to fight for his country while your average criminal... well for one, he doesn't even have respect for his countries laws!
so it has been done. happen to know what country did this?

Your average soldier WANTS to fight for his country while your average criminal...
Im talking about the draft. and since there has been alot of people who chose to goto jail instead of serving their country. I would find alot of the conscripts are disgruntled the same way the criminals would be.

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Lets put a big red flag next to the munky's username.
why and or what for?
 
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The british navy crewed their ships with convicts, and basically any one else they chose to kidnap. (It was a practice to go into a coastal town and round up any able-bodied men into forced service for the Crown)
 
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munky99999, There is an old WWII movie called "The Dirty Dozen" that you might enjoy. In general however, there is no moral equivalency between soldiers and criminals.

munky99999 said:
While im not homicidal or anything. I have done like intellectual exercises to see if i could do an illegal sort of thing. BUT all the while being completely legal. I suppose i might be considered something like a corporate criminal type.
There isn't anything illegal (usually) about "doing intellectual exercises". You only become a "criminal type" when you cross the line and break some law...usually in order to hurt someone else (or try to).
 
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i think i may have seen dirty dozen. and i think i might watch the movie again anyhow.

There isn't anything illegal (usually) about "doing intellectual exercises". You only become a "criminal type" when you cross the line and break some law...usually in order to hurt someone else (or try to).
Ok im not going to go into detail about any of my scams(so nobody else does it). but they have a good relation to scams that have been done before.

The movie boiler room for example. its a pretty good scam. also now quite illegal to do in canada. get a business on the market. HAve 400,000 shares. bought at about 2 cents each. get loads and loads of people to buy into this company. which raises the stock price ALOT. then sell out those 400,000 shares making LOTS of money.

another scam that i designed on my own years ago. and this back when Pentium 2 was a powerful machine. I setup a website which sells advertising space and the site is completely meant for advertising. and once the space is sold its sold. No payments based on traffic or anything. Ive told people about the idea. I got pretty much all riddicule. I didnt have a visa or anything. and guess what couple years later someone does it and makes some money.

and just for the fun of the thread. ill tell you guys of a scam which is related. That hasnt been done. Which should be fun. but its a hard to do one. first of all you need to set up a ALL advertising site. which pays completely by traffic. you then have access to a very high traffic website. Something like megagames.com or something. IT needs to be a site with advertising. You then setup this sites advertising to stay the same, but have a very very tiny pixel which loads this all advertising website in that spot. Now what it looks like to the advertising trackers is normal traffic to this webpage. and no link to this popular webpage.

ok so basically the scam makes good money. doesnt ruffle feathers. but definately looks BS.

anyhow my other 3 are all mine. they are perfect. All these carrer advice say. HAve ur dream job, then a backup incase of bad results of the dream. But usually the backup is like garbage man. well personally i would find that so boring. so i designed scams like this as my backup :)
 
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munky99999 said:
and just for the fun of the thread...
This thread isn't "fun", and I predict that it will be deleted soon...so try not to be surprised, or get your nose "bent out of joint", when that happens.

munky99999 said:
...All these carrer advice say. HAve ur dream job, then a backup incase of bad results of the dream. But usually the backup is like garbage man. well personally i would find that so boring. so i designed scams like this as my backup :)
OK, this part was just a little bit funny and made me laugh...:rofl:. If this really is your "backup plan", then I advise you to forget about it and go look for a new backup plan. You won't get anywhere doing this sort of thing on your own, but you might want to consider a career in law enforcement. Have you ever thought of that?
 
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I think we should make a new Medal for the first PF'er to post from a Candian Federal Prison. Did you study the law? Im 99.9999% sure there is a law somewhere against what you want to do in Canada, its just that you haven't heard about it before.
 
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Munky..give a shot at staying on topic in your own thread.

Men in both the Army and Navy of Britain from about 1700-~1900 were the "dredges" of society, though I do not think even there they emptied the prisons for recruits.

I believe the felons are not allowed to enlist in the US military. If you watch the Dirty Dozen, be sure to follow it up with Alice's Restaurant.
 
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im not in jail lol. and you dont even have a clue what my ideas are. so making the assumption that they will fail is foolish. Infact my dream job is in physics. second backup is a general mathematics, 3rd backup is going into the military airforce pilot or army sharpshooter(i dont hear of many snipers who die) and im sure i can get into the army as enlisted without any trouble. which they make pretty good money. alot of the money going into GIC/RRSPs

and become a cop? no thanks. Unless. i end up doing army sniper. and then goto the police as sniper.

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Im 99.9999% sure there is a law somewhere against what you want to do in Canada, its just that you haven't heard about it before.
Thats just it. You dont have to study the entire law. You can bring up all related and speak with a person who has studied law, a judicial judge for me.
 
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Good luck with that plan my friend :uhh: Don't blame us when you go to jail.
 
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Munky..give a shot at staying on topic in your own thread.
Im staying on topic. the topic being criminals.

For American Army.
To become an Enlisted Soldier in the U.S. Army, you must be:

* A U.S. citizen or permanent resident alien
* High School Diploma or equivalent
* 17-39 years old
* Healthy and in good physical condition
* In good moral standing
So in good moral standing im guessing is what your saying. but for canadian forces.
To be eligible for consideration for the Canadian Forces, you must meet the following minimal conditions:

* be a Canadian citizen;
o Citizens of another country who have landed immigrant (Permanent Resident) status in Canada may also be considered for enrolment when the CF has need of their skill, when the position cannot be filled by a Canadian citizen, and if the national interest would not be prejudiced. However, only under exceptional circumstances will authority be granted to enrol a citizen of another country.
* be 17 years of age (with parental/quardian consent) or older;
o junior level Military College applicants must be 16 years of age;
o you may be enrolled in the Reserves providing you are 16 years of age;
* meet the minimum education requirements for your entry plan and/or occupation;
o this can vary from Grade 10 (Sec III in Quebec) for combat arms occupations to a university degree for the Direct Entry Officer entry plan.
Nothing as far as i know. Though it may still be there.
 
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Good luck with that plan my friend :uhh: Don't blame us when you go to jail.
know what? its funny how an american would say such a thing. at no point do i ever expect to do such things. wanna know something else about me? I have a very good memory. I can easily memorise 6 decks of cards. Which means I can cheat easily in casinos. Do i gamble? Nope. Do i have friends who are similar. Do they gamble? yes actually they do and they usually bring home a couple thousand each night they go.

Im contented in the fact that I COULD beat the system. I never intend on actually doing it. Would I ever take a job to make the game immune to such people who can beat it? Definately not.

Did you know that you can get 1/4 odds on winning at roulette? and anyone with a quick mind which is good a math can do it.
 
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wanna know something else about me?
No, not really. Stop sharing your cockamamie get rich quick scams to rip off innocent people.

Even if you can count 6 decks of cards, go try it at a Vegas or Atlantic City casino and see how long before they catch wind of what you are doing and blacklist you from all casinos in the United States.

its funny how an american would say such a thing.
What does being American have to do with having good judgement?
 
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im not in jail lol. and you dont even have a clue what my ideas are. so making the assumption that they will fail is foolish.
I do so have a clue what your ideas are. You yourself refer to them as "scams" and said that "Ive told people about the idea. I got pretty much all riddicule."

Infact my dream job is in physics. second backup is a general mathematics, 3rd backup is going into the military airforce pilot or army sharpshooter
OK, these are all fine. In the US we have ROTC in college so that you can become a military officer while you're earning your degree; do they have anything like this in CA?

(i dont hear of many snipers who die) and im sure i can get into the army as enlisted without any trouble. which they make pretty good money. alot of the money going into GIC/RRSPs
Another great plan, oh munky99999...join the army as a sniper in order to stay safe and get rich...:rofl: .

and become a cop? no thanks. Unless. i end up doing army sniper. and then goto the police as sniper.
There's more to "law enforcement" than being a "street cop". You could work for the federal goverment catching corporate criminals for example.
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
Even if you can count 6 decks of cards, go try it at a Vegas or Atlantic City casino and see how long before they catch wind of what you are doing and blacklist you from all casinos in the United States.
firstly. thats USA and I dont know the law there. but from not so official sources. counting cards is legal as long as ur doing it in ur head.
 
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firstly. thats USA and I dont know the law there. but from not so official sources. counting cards is legal as long as ur doing it in ur head.
What? As opposed to all the illegal card counters in the casino who do it out loud. Enough with the nonsense, please.
 
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OK, these are all fine. In the US we have ROTC in college so that you can become a military officer while you're earning your degree; do they have anything like this in CA?

Another great plan, oh munky99999...join the army as a sniper in order to stay safe and get rich...:rofl: .

There's more to "law enforcement" than being a "street cop". You could work for the federal goverment catching corporate criminals for example.
Im not sure what ROTC stands for. but we have something similar. but we have a Royal military college. and well you can check it out http://www.rmc.ca/home_e.html"

well id join army as sniper for the skill(sharpshooting) not the money. and well pilot u can transfer to commercial or pilot easily enough afterwards.

and as for federal government. I dont think I can take the riddicule from that. As I dont have much love for horses.

though maybe CSIS. but meh.
 
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munky99999 said:
firstly. thats USA and I dont know the law there. but from not so official sources. counting cards is legal as long as ur doing it in ur head.
It's not against the law but it is against casino policies and they'll throw you out as soon as they see you're doing it. You don't need to break the law to get banned from a private establishment.
 

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