Criteria for Determining Satellite's Return from Orbit?

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The discussion centers on determining the criteria for a satellite's return to a planet's surface using conservation of energy and angular momentum principles. Participants express confusion regarding the conditions under which a satellite, initially below escape velocity, can return to the planet after being fired at an angle. They analyze the inequality related to the satellite's trajectory, noting that if certain conditions are met, it suggests the satellite may not return, which seems counterintuitive. The conversation highlights the complexities of orbital mechanics and the implications of different initial velocities and angles. Ultimately, the consensus is that the problem contains ambiguities that complicate the determination of the satellite's fate.
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Conservation of energy/ angular momentum

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I used conservation of momentum to do part d. My answer is VB/VA=sinα /X. i don't know how to do part e. What is the criteria to determine whether the satellite will return to the planet's surface?
 

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The question seems strange in at least one regard: the inequality to be proved can be greatly simplified... but you do have to be careful with signs.

It gets even stranger when you figure out the range of X values for which the given inequality is false.

Now, I'm no expert in this area, but I always thought that if an object is a satellite (i.e. below escape velocity) then it follows an elliptical path forever. It cannot start on some other path and migrate to an elliptical orbit without some impulse being applied. So if it starts off rising from the surface at some angle above the horizontal, and is below escape velocity, then...
 
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I don't know too. I always thought that it either fire the satellite tangentially or fire the satellite with an angle but it will always return to the earth...
 
Clara Chung said:
I don't know too. I always thought that it either fire the satellite tangentially or fire the satellite with an angle but it will always return to the earth...

##\frac{X(X-1)}{X^2 - \sin^2\alpha} \le \frac{X(X-1)}{X^2 - 1} = \frac{X}{X + 1} < 1 \ \ ## (for ##X > 1##)
 
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PeroK said:
##\frac{X(X-1)}{X^2 - \sin^2\alpha} \le \frac{X(X-1)}{X^2 - 1} = \frac{X}{X + 1} < 1 \ \ ## (for ##X > 1##)
I think it is more helpful to simplify the original inequality, working the cases of positive and negative denominator separately.
 
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haruspex said:
I think it is more helpful to simplify the original inequality, working the cases of positive and negative denominator separately.
How about assume that the velocity when the satellite reach the Earth be v.
By conservation of energy,
mvA2 / 2 = mv2 /2
=> vA=v
By conservation of angular momentum,
vA sin α R = v R
=> sin α = 1 ?
 
Clara Chung said:
How about assume that the velocity when the satellite reach the Earth be v.
By conservation of energy,
mvA2 / 2 = mv2 /2
=> vA=v
By conservation of angular momentum,
vA sin α R = v R
=> sin α = 1 ?

I wouldn't worry about this problem. There's definitely something not quite right.
 
Clara Chung said:
I don't know too. I always thought that it either fire the satellite tangentially or fire the satellite with an angle but it will always return to the earth...
Not if it is fired fast enough (escape velocity), but then B would be at infinity, making X infinite.

For what little it is worth, the simplification of the given inequality goes like this:
If the denominator > 0 (i.e. X>sin(α)) then we can multiply out to get
X(X-1)<X2-sin2(α)
Cancelling an X2:
-X<-sin2(α)
X>sin2(α)
And since we are assuming X>sin(α) that is trivially true.
But if X<sin(α) then when we multiply out to there is a reversal:
X(X-1)>X2-sin2(α)
Cancelling an X2:
-X>-sin2(α)
X<sin2(α)
So the given inequality is equivalent to:
X<sin2(α) or X>sin(α).

The implication, sort of, is that if sin2(α) < X<sin(α) then it will not crash back to the planet. This is clearly absurd. If X<1 then the point B is inside the planet.
 
haruspex said:
The implication, sort of, is that if sin2(α) < X<sin(α) then it will not crash back to the planet. This is clearly absurd. If X<1 then the point B is inside the planet.

##X > 1## by its definition in the problem.
 
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