Are the Red Terms Equal to Zero in This Cross Product Problem?

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of angular momentum and the relationship between the rate of change of angular momentum and torque. The question arises about the terms being equal to zero and whether the vectors R and ai are parallel. The conversation also mentions the potential absence of angular momentum if the acceleration of each individual particle is parallel to R. However, further examination is needed to determine if this assumption is valid.
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Background: we're trying to show that the rate of change of angular momentum of an object about its center of mass (position given by R) is equal to the total torque about R.

Why are the terms in red equal to 0? If anything, shouldn't the terms circled in in blue be equal to zero since the vectors R and ai are parallel and ri` and ai` are parallel?

Thank you!
 

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What would it mean if, as you say, the acceleration of each individual particle were parallel to [itex]\vec R[/itex]?
 
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Then there is no angular momentum and only linear momentum?

EDIT: actually i made an error with my question. the new image is attached.
If ri` and ai` are parallel, shouldn't the cross-product be 0? So in the last line, the Ʃ miri` × A would be left instead?
 

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sparkle123 said:
Then there is no angular momentum and only linear momentum?
No. Reexamine your assumption.

EDIT: actually i made an error with my question. the new image is attached.
If ri` and ai` are parallel, shouldn't the cross-product be 0?
Why do you think they are parallel?
 
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tms said:
No. Reexamine your assumption.Why do you think they are parallel?

Isn't a the double derivative of r (so they are parallel)?
Thanks again!
 
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^bump
 
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That doesn't mean they must be parallel. If it did, it would mean that you could change the forces on an object just by moving the origin of the coordinate system.
 

1. What is a cross product?

The cross product is a mathematical operation that takes two vectors as inputs and produces a third vector that is perpendicular to both of the original vectors.

2. How do you find the cross product of two vectors?

To find the cross product of two vectors, you can use the mnemonic "FOIL" method. First, multiply the first elements of each vector. Then, multiply the outer (first and last) elements of each vector. Next, multiply the inner (second and second to last) elements of each vector. Finally, multiply the last elements of each vector. Subtract the product of the outer elements from the product of the inner elements to get the cross product.

3. What is the geometric interpretation of the cross product?

The geometric interpretation of the cross product is that it represents the area of a parallelogram formed by the two original vectors. The direction of the cross product is perpendicular to this area plane, and its magnitude is equal to the area of the parallelogram.

4. In what situations is the cross product useful?

The cross product is useful in many different situations, including calculating torque in physics, determining the direction and normal vector of a plane in 3D geometry, and solving problems in vector calculus and linear algebra.

5. What is the difference between the cross product and the dot product?

The cross product and dot product are both mathematical operations on vectors, but they have different results. The cross product produces a vector that is perpendicular to the original vectors, while the dot product produces a scalar (a single value) that represents the magnitude of the projection of one vector onto the other.

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