Curl in Cylindrical Vector Fields: Exploring Zero Curl

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of curl in a vector field and how it can be zero even if there is a component in a circular direction. The individual mentions a mathematical example involving a vortex of water and explains the calculation of curl in cylindrical coordinates. However, they also mention a singularity in the region bounded by the curve, which invalidates the theorem they were trying to apply.
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If a vector field has any component in a circular direction how can its curl be zero? If I imagine a vortex of water, it makes sense that it will be easier to go with the water in a circle than it would be to go against the water in a circle. Or more mathsy:

A vector field in cylindrical coords is defined by:
[tex]\mathbf{E} = \frac{A}{r} \mathbf{ \hat{e}_{\phi} }[/tex]
where A is a constant. Therefore the curl is zero.
[tex] \mathbf{curlE} = \frac{1}{r} \frac{\partial}{\partial r} r \frac{A}{r} \mathbf{ \hat{e}_{z} } = \mathbf{0}[/tex]
So taking a line integral in a circle, taking it back to the same point should also be zero.
[tex] \int^{2 \pi}_{0} \mathbf{E \cdot} r \mathbf{\hat{e_{\phi}}} \partial \phi = \int^{2 \pi}_{0} \frac{A}{r} \mathbf{ \hat{e}_{\phi} } \mathbf{\cdot} r \mathbf{\hat{e_{\phi}}} \partial \phi =\int^{2 \pi}_{0} A \partial \phi = 2 \pi A \neq 0[/tex]

Thanks in advance
 
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Quite correctly calculated!

The reason is that your function E has a singularity in the region bounded by your curve (i.e, at the origin).

The theorem you had in mind specifically requires, in order to be valid, that such singularities do not exist, so you have misapplied it.
 

1. What is curl in cylindrical vector fields?

Curl is a mathematical concept that measures the rotation or circulation of a vector field. In cylindrical vector fields, curl describes how the vector field changes as you move in different directions around a cylindrical surface.

2. How is curl calculated in cylindrical vector fields?

The formula for calculating curl in cylindrical vector fields involves taking the partial derivatives of the vector field with respect to the cylindrical coordinates (radius, angle, and height) and then combining them in a specific way. This results in a vector quantity that represents the curl of the original field.

3. Why is zero curl important in cylindrical vector fields?

Zero curl in cylindrical vector fields means that there is no rotation or circulation within the field. This can indicate a state of equilibrium or stability, and is often used to solve for stationary points in physical systems.

4. How is zero curl explored in cylindrical vector fields?

Exploring zero curl in cylindrical vector fields involves analyzing the vector field and its components to determine if the curl is equal to zero at various points in the field. This can be done visually or through mathematical calculations.

5. What are some real-world applications of zero curl in cylindrical vector fields?

Zero curl in cylindrical vector fields is used in many fields of science and engineering, including fluid dynamics, electromagnetism, and heat transfer. It can help engineers and scientists understand the behavior of fluids and electromagnetic fields, and make predictions about their behavior in different situations.

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