Current on wire, three axes, magnetic force

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a straight wire carrying a current in the presence of a magnetic field, specifically focusing on calculating the magnetic force acting on the wire. The subject area includes electromagnetism and vector calculus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the magnetic force using the cross product of the current vector and the magnetic field vector. There is uncertainty regarding the application of the cross product, particularly how the direction of the current affects the components of the magnetic field that contribute to the force.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's calculations and exploring different methods for computing the cross product. There is an exchange of ideas about using the determinant method and the right-hand rule for visualizing the cross product.

Contextual Notes

Participants are addressing potential misunderstandings regarding the contributions of different components in the cross product, particularly the impact of the current's direction on the magnetic field's z-component. There is also mention of external resources for further clarification.

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Homework Statement



a 0.2 meter straight piece of wire has a current of 30 ampere flowing through it, pointing in the +z direction. the magnetic field presented in space is given by:

B = 2B_0i + 4B_0j + 3B_0k

what is the force on the wire?


Homework Equations



magnetic force on a current F = IL X B = ILBsin(theta)where X indicate cross product, I is current, L is length, B is magnetic field

The Attempt at a Solution



F = IL X B
F = ILB sin(theta)
F = (30)(0.2)(2B_0i + 4B_0j + 3B_0k) sin(90)
F = 12B_0i + 24B_0j + 18B_0k

i'm not sure sure whether i did the calculation correct, is the 30 amps only multiplied with the 3B_0k since the current points in the +z direction? i multiplied it through all, i,j,k.

will my final answer be presented in components of each axis?
 
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couldn't edit original post, i am supposed to get -24B_0i + 12B_0j
 
You did the cross product wrong. If the length is in the z direction than z component from the magnetic field will die out in the cross product. The cross product is the multiplication of orthogonal (perpendicular) components, so physically you should not see things going in the same direction contribute.

Do you know of the component-wise way of doing cross products? If you don't know the determinate trick, then you can just use the right hand rule and figure it out.
 
the determinant trick involves matrices correct? i think i know how to do that, could you explain the right hand rule a little more, having a little trouble visualizing.
 
Okay so with the determinate trick you would have something like this

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/Mathematics/geomath/level2/mat/mat121.html

For the right hand rule you want to point your fingers in the direction of the first vector, and then curl them in the direction of the second vector. Your thumb would show you the direction of the resultant vector. For example, x cross y should show you z; or, z cross y should show -x.
 

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