Damped oscillation and time between displacement maximums

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The discussion revolves around the topic of damped oscillations, specifically focusing on the time between displacement maximums as described in a physics homework problem. Participants are exploring the mathematical aspects of the equations governing damped oscillation.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the equation for damped oscillation and solve for when it equals zero, questioning their approach when they encounter difficulties. Some participants suggest eliminating the phase shift to simplify the problem. Others propose applying a linear combination identity to the equation to facilitate finding the period of the oscillation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights and suggestions. There is a recognition of the relationship between the derived sinusoidal function and its period, with some noting that the period appears independent of the phase shift. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the original poster's approach or the implications of their findings.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the relevance of the damping constant and phase shift in determining the behavior of the oscillation, indicating that assumptions about these parameters are being scrutinized.

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Homework Statement


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Question 3.9
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Homework Equations


equation for dampened ocillation[/B]
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In case this might appear confusing, I derived(with respect to t) the equation for dampened oscillation given above and tried to solve for when it equaled zero expecting this to happen for periodic values of t.
The constant A is removed in my derivation because it is unnecessary to find the maximum points.
I got stuck when trying to solve the derived equation for zero and I do not think I am heading in the right direction. I would greatly appreciate any any all help.

Thank you in advance.
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My attempt at a solution did not show up. Here it is
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You can also get rid of phi as that is just a phase shift and does not change the period between maxima. That may help you figure out what you need to do next.
 
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Look at where you have:

##\omega\sin\left(\omega t+\phi\right)+\dfrac{\gamma}{2}\cos\left(\omega t+\phi\right)=0##

Now, apply a linear combination identity for sine and cosine. What do you have?
 
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Andrew Wildridge said:
You can also get rid of phi as that is just a phase shift and does not change the period between maxima. That may help you figure out what you need to do next.
MarkFL said:
Look at where you have:

##\omega\sin\left(\omega t+\phi\right)+\dfrac{\gamma}{2}\cos\left(\omega t+\phi\right)=0##

Now, apply a linear combination identity for sine and cosine. What do you have?

I tried to take what both of you said into account and it seemed to work. I was able to solve for t but it is not what I expected as is seems to still depend on the dampening constant ##\Upsilon##. Did I make a mistake somewhere?
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If you apply a linear combination identity to:

##\omega\sin\left(\omega t+\phi\right)+\dfrac{\gamma}{2}\cos\left(\omega t+\phi\right)=0##

you get a sinusoid of the form:

##\sqrt{\omega^2+\left(\dfrac{\gamma}{2}\right)^2}\sin\left(\omega t+\phi+\varphi\right)=0##

What is the period of this function?
 
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MarkFL said:
If you apply a linear combination identity to:

##\omega\sin\left(\omega t+\phi\right)+\dfrac{\gamma}{2}\cos\left(\omega t+\phi\right)=0##

you get a sinusoid of the form:

##\sqrt{\omega^2+\left(\dfrac{\gamma}{2}\right)^2}\sin\left(\omega t+\phi+\varphi\right)=0##

What is the period of this function?
Oh I see. The period is, ##\dfrac{2\pi}{\omega}##, which means that the equation becomes zero at this period meaning that the peaks occur at this period which is independent of ##\varphi##.

Thank you all.
 
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