DC-DC converter that can handle reverse current for motors

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of using a DC-DC converter with a stepper motor that has a specific voltage requirement, particularly in the context of managing reverse current due to the inductive nature of the motor. Participants explore potential solutions and considerations regarding the voltage supplied by a lead-acid battery and the implications for motor operation.

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Main Points Raised

  • cepheid expresses concern about reverse current when using a DC-DC converter with a stepper motor, noting that some converters can handle bi-directional current flow while others cannot.
  • Some participants question the conditions under which reverse current might occur, suggesting it could happen when the motor acts as a generator during braking or when changing directions.
  • Another participant suggests that the lead-acid battery's voltage may decrease under load, potentially alleviating concerns about exceeding the motor's voltage limits.
  • cepheid clarifies that the motor controller goes into a fault state at higher voltages, specifically at 28 V, but operates correctly at 24 V.
  • There are inquiries about the power and current levels involved, with one participant noting the motor's peak current rating of 3.4 A.
  • Suggestions are made regarding the use of clamping diodes to manage inductive loads and to potentially drop the battery voltage to acceptable levels using diodes or resistors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding about the reverse current issue and the implications of battery voltage under load. There is no consensus on the best type of DC-DC converter for this application, and multiple approaches are suggested without agreement on a definitive solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss assumptions about battery voltage behavior under load and the specific characteristics of DC-DC converters, but these aspects remain unresolved. The discussion does not clarify the exact specifications or models of DC-DC converters suitable for the application.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals working with stepper motors, DC-DC converters, or those interested in managing inductive loads in power systems.

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I have a stepper motor with built-in controller/servo system that requires a supply voltage of 24 VDC +/- 10%. The problem is, the power system I'm using is a lead-acid battery that is normally maintained at a top up voltage of 27 V to 28 V, which exceeds the upper limit motor input. Most of the other 24 V components in my system are fine with inputs ranging anywhere from 18 V to 36 V DC, so this hasn't been an issue before.

I want to step down and regulate the battery voltage using a DC-DC converter, but my concern is with reverse current. My preliminary investigations show that some DC-DCs can handle bi-directional current flow, and some can't, but I haven't been able to find any information about which is which (DC-DC data sheets don't seem to explicitly indicate this).

Does anyone know what kind of DC-DC power supply is suitable for use with a BLDC (or stepper) motor? This must be solved problem.

Thanks,

cepheid.
 
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Why will there be a reverse current?
 
berkeman said:
Why will there be a reverse current?

Because it's an inductive load, and when you try to change directions, you'll have situation where the voltage is being applied in one direction and the current is still in the other (old) direction)?

Alternatively (i.e. equivalently), the motor acts as a generator during braking?
 
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I figured I would bump this thread (once and only once, don't worry). If anyone has any info about this, it would be much appreciated.
 
cepheid, when you wrote "the power system I'm using is a lead-acid battery that is normally maintained at a top up voltage of 27 V to 28 V" does that indicate the "open circuit" or "no load" voltage? If yes, surely it would decrease by a few (or more) volts once you apply the motor load. If that's the case, then you would not be overstressing the motor. You might try it while monitoring the input voltage.
 
What exactly is the problem?

Doesn't the controller/servo work at all?
Are you afraid it might get damaged?
Does is work irregularly?
...
 
I like Serena said:
What exactly is the problem?

Doesn't the controller/servo work at all?
Are you afraid it might get damaged?
Does is work irregularly?
...

There is no damage, but the motor controller goes into a fault state and disables itself. This fault is not cleared by power cycling. When I was testing this out with a lab DC supply, the problem occurred at 28 V, but went away when I dialled it down to 24 V.

Bobbywhy: just assume that the battery voltage will always be too high.

My question is simply whether anyone knows what kinds of DC-DCs are used for applications with motors/inductive loads, or how this problem is solved in general. If someone knows the answer to that, great.
 
What type of power and current levels are you interested in cepheid? If there's not a lot of energy involved then it's pretty easy to build a circuit to just dump it (if it goes over a given threshold).
 
uart said:
What type of power and current levels are you interested in cepheid? If there's not a lot of energy involved then it's pretty easy to build a circuit to just dump it (if it goes over a given threshold).

The motor is rated for a peak current of 3.4 A.
 
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Can you try some clamping diodes? Is it possible to put clamping diodes to discharge the inductor of the motor. Just a thought.

Also, since you can take 24V+/-10%, can you use diode to just drop the LA battery down to the acceptable voltage? And then use pull down either resistor or current source.
 
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