Deck of Cards Probability Question

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The problem involves calculating the probability of obtaining at least one four-of-a-kind in a thirteen card hand drawn from a standard fifty-two card deck.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the interpretation of the probability question, specifically whether it pertains to at least one four-of-a-kind or multiple instances. Various calculations and results are shared, with some participants questioning the accuracy of their methods and the handling of repetitious combinations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their calculations and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider repetitions in combinations, and there is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in calculating probabilities for multiple four-of-a-kinds.

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Participants are navigating the nuances of probability calculations, including the distinction between percentages and decimal representations of probabilities. There is a focus on ensuring clarity in the definitions and constraints of the problem being discussed.

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Homework Statement



What is the probability of gettting four-of-a-kind in a thirteen card hand dealt from a standard fifty two card deck?

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Are you asking for the probably at least one four of a kind? Or is having multiple four of a kinds in the hand illegal?
 
I am asking for at least one four of a kind.
 
I got about 3.43%. What have you tried so far?
 
vela said:
I got about 3.43%.

I got this answer as well.
 
I got .0753 = ((13)(52C9))/(52C13) although i suspect that there are some repetitious combinations ie. 4,4,4,4,5,6,7,7,7,7,5,6,2 and 7,7,7,7,5,6,4,4,4,4,5,6,2.

Could you explain how you arrived at your answer?
 
Your mistake is in the numerator. After you draw the four of a kind, how many cards are left from which to draw the remaining 9 cards?
 
ahh, i see
Thanks!
I'm still not sure how to eliminate the repetitious combinations though...
 
You haven't eliminated repetitions like getting two or three sets of four of a kind, but that's okay because you said you wanted the probability of at least one four of a kind, not exactly one four of a kind.
 
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"You haven't eliminated repetitions like getting two or three sets of four of a kind"

In calculating the combinations for any particular four-of-a-kind, for example for the combinations of the four-of-a-kinds for cards 4 and 7, there will be one combination that is counted twice: 4,4,4,4,5,6,7,7,7,7,5,6,2 and 7,7,7,7,5,6,4,4,4,4,5,6,2.
 
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Yeah, you're right. I'll have to ponder this a bit.
 
  • #12
This might help:

[tex]\{\texttt{hands with three four-of-a-kinds}\} \subset \{\texttt{hands with at least two four-of-a-kinds}\}[/tex]
[tex]\subset \{\texttt{hands with at least one four-of-a-kind}\}[/tex]
 
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vela said:
I got about 3.43%. What have you tried so far?

pbandjay said:
I got this answer as well.

I agree, but remember probabilities are numbers between 0 and 1, not percentages.

So you mean .034 approximately.
 

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