Defining Electric Field around a charge

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the definition of the electric field around a charge or a system of charges, focusing on the implications of introducing a test charge and how it affects the measurement of the electric field. The scope includes conceptual clarifications and technical explanations related to electric fields in electrostatics.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the electric field is defined as the force experienced per unit charge, but question how this can be accurately measured when the test charge itself may disturb the original field.
  • Others clarify that while the introduction of a test charge alters the field, the measurement of the electric field is based on the force per unit charge experienced by the test charge due to other charges, emphasizing that an object cannot exert a force on itself.
  • A participant notes that the definition of the electric field involves considering the limit as the magnitude of the test charge approaches zero to minimize disturbance.
  • Another participant agrees that the test charge's own field will disturb the original field but suggests that using a very small test charge minimizes this disturbance to a negligible level.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the introduction of a test charge affects the electric field, but there is no consensus on the implications of this disturbance for accurate measurement. Multiple views on how to address this issue remain present in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the assumptions about the size of the test charge and its impact on the original electric field, as well as the definitions used in the context of electric fields.

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Electric field around a charge or system of charges is defined as the force experienced per unit charge. Won't the original field be disturbed by the test charge's own field ? How then the original field be measured accurately ?
 
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Hmm...How do I way this? Force and field are related concepts but not entirely the same thing.

First of all you would be right to say that the field in some space would be altered if you introduce a test charge or any charge for that matter into the "picture" and if I throw in another charge into the space, the field will change as a result. However when you measure a field, what you are essentially doing is probing the force per unit charge that your test charge experiences due solely to the contribution of the other charges in the system. You must remember that the an object cannot exert a force on itself .

I'm terrible at explaining stuff but hope this helps!
 
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Phynite said:
Electric field around a charge or system of charges is defined as the force experienced per unit [test] charge

...in the limit as the magnitude of the test charge approaches zero.
 
Yes, the original field will be disturbed by the test charge's own field.
It is considered that the value of the test charge taken is very low i.e. the minimum value of the test charge is taken so that the disturbance in the original field is minimum and this minimum disturbance can be neglected.
 

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