Definite Integral (Square Root)

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The discussion centers around evaluating a definite integral involving a square root, specifically between the limits of x=0 and x=20. Participants explore methods of integration, particularly focusing on trigonometric substitution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the possibility of using trigonometric substitution, with one suggesting the substitution x=20 sin(θ). Questions arise regarding how to transform the limits of integration and whether the substitution aligns with standard integral forms.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes attempts to clarify the transformation of limits and the application of trigonometric identities. Some participants express uncertainty about the relevance of their textbook content to the problem at hand, while others suggest looking for standard integral forms that may apply.

Contextual Notes

One participant notes that the method of trigonometric substitution is not covered in their textbook, indicating a potential gap in the resources available to them. There is also mention of needing to find a specific formula to proceed with the integration.

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It is a definite integral between x=0 and x=20.

I forget how to integrate with a square root. Do you just change it to a power of a half and then integrate it?

Been a while since I've done this,

Thanks.
 
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I would use a trigonometric substitution for this one.

Let x=20 sin(\theta)
 
Not quite understanding. Since this is a definite integral, if I let x=20sin(theta), do I then sub in 0 and 20 as theta?

There doesn't seem to be any trigonmetric substitution in the textbook? Is there anyway that formula could be arranged to fit with the short table of standard integrals?
 
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Well if x=20 sin(\theta), then \theta = sin^{-1}(\frac{x}{20}). x=0 is transformed to \theta=0 and x=20 is transformed to \theta=\frac{\pi}{2}.

\int\limits_0^{20} {\sqrt {1 - \frac{{{x^2}}}{{400}}} \;dx = \int\limits_0^{\pi /2} {20\cos \theta \sqrt {1 - {{\sin }^2}\theta } \;\;d\theta } }

Can you work from there?

Im sure that if you looked at a table of standard integrals you would find one that can be used to solve this.
 
I can get the answer through trigonometric substitution, the problem is it isn't in my textbook so therefore not part of the syllabus.

I can integrate it fine by myself if I know the rule. All I've got is some basic substitution stuff (chain rule) and standard integrals, but I can't find a rule.

I thought if I rearranged the equation from:
Sqrt(16^2 (1 - x^2/20^2))

To:
4/5 sqrt(400-x^2)

You could integrate that to:

(x Sqrt[a^2 - x^2])/2 - (a^2 ArcCos[x/a])/2

where a=20 and x=20 or 0.

But that doesn't seem to work, especially since I know the answer to this.

All I need is to get the working out, so just the formula.

(P.S How does Latex work on this)

Nevermind, solved.
 
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For information about the Latex used on this forum, check out this link:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=386951
 
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The limits of integration, in the original integral, are in terms of the variable in that integral: x= 0 and x= 20. If you then use x= 20 sin(\theta) then you have x= 0= 20 sin(\theta), then sin(\theta)= 0 so \theta= 0 and x= 20= 20sin(\theta), then sin(\theta)= 1 so \theta= \pi/2.
 

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