Definite integral: why is this wrong?

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the evaluation of a definite integral and the interpretation of the expression (-1)^(2/3). Participants are exploring the complexities of evaluating integrals involving cube roots and complex numbers.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the discrepancies in results from Wolfram Alpha and question why (-1)^(2/3) does not evaluate to 1. There are mentions of different interpretations of cube roots and the implications of choosing branches in complex analysis.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing various interpretations and approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the selection of branches for cube roots, and there is an acknowledgment of multiple valid answers based on different assumptions.

Contextual Notes

There are references to the need for clarity in defining the branch of the cube root being used, as well as the implications of evaluating integrals with complex components. The original poster's approach is noted as potentially valid, but interpretations vary.

tahayassen
Messages
269
Reaction score
1
According to wolfram alpha, the correct answer is -3/4.
 

Attachments

  • crop.jpg
    crop.jpg
    14.2 KB · Views: 458
Physics news on Phys.org
Never mind. It is right.
 
Wolfram isn't getting 3/4, it's getting (-3/2)(-1)^(2/3) which it is computing to be approximately equal to 0.75-1.29904i

The real question of the day is why (-1)^(2/3) doesn't evaluate to 1. :rolleyes:
 
ArcanaNoir said:
The real question of the day is why (-1)^(2/3) doesn't evaluate to 1. :rolleyes:
There are three valid answers. Wolfram is calculating this one:
$$(-1)^{2/3} = (e^{i\pi})^{2/3} = e^{i2\pi/3} = \cos(2\pi/3) + i\sin(2\pi/3) = -1/2 + i\sqrt{3}/2$$
These two also work:
$$(-1)^{2/3} = (e^{-i\pi})^{2/3} = e^{-i2\pi/3} = \cos(-2\pi/3) + i\sin(-2\pi/3) = -1/2 - i\sqrt{3}/2$$
$$(-1)^{2/3} = (e^{i3\pi})^{2/3} = e^{i2\pi} = 1$$
 
jbunniii said:
There are three valid answers. Wolfram is calculating this one:
$$(-1)^{2/3} = (e^{i\pi})^{2/3} = e^{i2\pi/3} = \cos(2\pi/3) + i\sin(2\pi/3) = -1/2 + i\sqrt{3}/2$$
These two also work:
$$(-1)^{2/3} = (e^{-i\pi})^{2/3} = e^{-i2\pi/3} = \cos(-2\pi/3) + i\sin(-2\pi/3) = -1/2 - i\sqrt{3}/2$$
$$(-1)^{2/3} = (e^{i3\pi})^{2/3} = e^{i2\pi} = 1$$

There are other valid answers as well. If we put ## \sqrt[3]{x-1} = -\sqrt[3]{1-x} \; (0 \leq x \leq 1)## we have
[tex]\text{answer } = -\int_0^1 \frac{1}{\sqrt[3]{1-x}}\, dx = -3/2.[/tex]
 
Mind has now been totally blown.
 
tahayassen said:
Mind has now been totally blown.

Oh, I wouldn't blow that hard. If you are doing this as a real integral then you want to pick the branch of cube root which is always real. Your original answer was fine. Wolfram just picked the wrong branch. You could also with equal justification claim that the integral from 0 to 1 of x^(1/3) has three possible answers. Or even more if you get more creative. But that's certainly not the usual answer. Wolfram just misinterpreted the question.
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 105 ·
4
Replies
105
Views
11K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
Replies
2
Views
1K