Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around the definition of arc length on differentiable manifolds without relying on parametrization. Participants explore whether a parametrization-free definition can be established, similar to the polygonal approximation used in Euclidean space, and the implications of such a definition in the context of manifolds.
Discussion Character
- Exploratory
- Technical explanation
- Debate/contested
Main Points Raised
- Some participants argue that arc length is a property of the image of curves on a manifold and should be independent of parametrization.
- Others question how to define a "curve" without parametrization, suggesting that connected compact 1-dimensional submanifolds can be treated as piecewise regular curves.
- One participant asserts that there is no canonical method for defining arc length on a general manifold due to the nature of local coordinate systems and their transformations.
- Another participant proposes a method involving covering the curve with neighborhoods and constructing piecewise-geodesic curves to approximate arc length, although this method's clarity is questioned.
- Some participants discuss the necessity of parametrization in defining geodesics and arc lengths, with references to existing literature on Riemannian geometry.
- A question is raised about using the inverse of the exponential map on Lie groups to compute arc lengths, leading to a discussion on the specific nature of geodesics in this context.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express differing views on the feasibility of defining arc length without parametrization, with some asserting it is impossible in general while others suggest specific cases or methods that could work. The discussion remains unresolved regarding a universally accepted definition.
Contextual Notes
Limitations include the dependence on the choice of metric and the nature of the manifold, as well as the unresolved mathematical steps in defining arc length without parametrization.