Definition of Lagrangian Density?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the definition of Lagrangian Density, particularly in the context of classical and quantum field theory. Participants seek to clarify its mathematical formulation and its role in the action integral.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes an understanding of classical and relativistic Lagrangians but seeks a precise mathematical definition of Lagrangian Density.
  • Another participant explains that in field theory, the Lagrangian is expressed as an integral of a function over space, identifying the integrand as the Lagrangian density.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that Lagrangian density must be non-scalar to ensure invariance under coordinate transformations, as the volume form is not invariant.
  • One participant proposes that Lagrangian Density could be defined as any function whose integral over space and time equals the action, seeking a specific mathematical example for clarification.
  • Several links to external resources are shared, including Wikipedia and a course page, although one participant critiques the relevance of the examples provided due to their focus on Minkowski space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various interpretations and seek deeper understanding, indicating that there is no consensus on a singular definition of Lagrangian Density. Multiple competing views and questions remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about invariance and the nature of the Lagrangian density, as well as the dependence on specific definitions and contexts within field theory.

LarryS
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I understand the definitions of both the classical and relativistic (SR) Lagrangians. But I cannot find a precise mathematical definition of Lagrangian Density. Please assist. Thanks in advance.
 
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In classical or quantum field theory you tend to write the Lagrangian of your system as an integral of some expression over all space. The integrand is the Lagrangian density. In the same way, total mass is the integral of mass density over space. But maybe you wanted something deeper?
 
Density means that [itex]\mathcal{L}\times volume[/itex] must be invariant under coordinate transformations. The volume form is not invariant (it involves the Jacobian), so Lagrangian density L must also be not a scalar, to compensate for non-invariance of the volume form. Action - the integral should be invariant.
 
The_Duck said:
In classical or quantum field theory you tend to write the Lagrangian of your system as an integral of some expression over all space. The integrand is the Lagrangian density. In the same way, total mass is the integral of mass density over space. But maybe you wanted something deeper?

It almost sounds as if the Lagrangian Density (LD) is defined as the solution of an integral equation, i.e. any function (integrand) of space and time whose integral over all space and time equals the Action, is a Lagrangian Density. However, I would like to find an mathematical example of a LD for a specific physical system.
 

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