Definition of temperature in weather reporting

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The discussion revolves around the definition and reporting of temperature in weather reports, particularly focusing on discrepancies between official and online temperature readings. Participants explore factors influencing these differences, including measurement techniques, urban heat effects, and the standards used by weather stations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that online weather reports may rely on data from amateur weather stations, which could lead to higher temperature readings compared to official reports.
  • There is speculation about the precautions taken by official weather stations to shield their thermometers from radiant heat, potentially affecting reported temperatures.
  • One participant mentions the Stevenson Screen as a standard for measuring temperature, indicating that official temperatures are recorded out of direct sunlight.
  • Urban heat island effects are noted as a factor that can cause temperature variations between urban and suburban areas, with built-up regions often recording higher temperatures.
  • Microclimates are discussed, with references to how local environmental factors can significantly influence temperature readings, particularly in relation to biological impacts.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the criteria for defining maximum temperature, questioning whether there is a requirement for temperatures to be sustained for a certain duration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that discrepancies in temperature readings exist and that various factors contribute to these differences. However, there is no consensus on the specific reasons for the variations or the criteria for defining maximum temperatures.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the influence of measurement techniques, urbanization, and local microclimates, but do not resolve how these factors quantitatively affect reported temperatures. There is also uncertainty regarding the availability of past temperature data from various weather stations.

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What definition of temperature is used in reporting weather conditions. To measure air temperature must thermometers be put in a dark place?
In my town, newspaper stories say we've had several days of record high temperatures. The stories report temperatures in the range of 107 F. However, on the same days, online weather reports show temperatures as high as 116 F.

I think online weather reports use reports from amateur weather stations. ( On several days, I've seen the temperature measured by an (analog) outdoor thermometer in the shade of a covered patio get up to 115 F.) I speculate that "official" weather stations take more precautions than amateurs to shield their thermometers from radiant heat. Is that correct? Are there additional considerations to explain the differences in reported highs? - pehaps something about data rates? Does the definition of "temperature" in weather reporting require that the temperature stay at a certain value for a minimum length of time?
 
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Please, see:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevenson_screen

I am almost certain that in my area, the values registered at the weather station located in the international airport are taken as reference, as many oficial reports refer to that station.
 
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Heat island effects. Urbanization changes ambient temperatures. Downtown is hotter than out in the exurbs.
https://www.epa.gov/heatislands

Microclimate is something that Biologists have great interest in. Example: many desert species cannot endure full sun exposure for long periods, so they burrow down one to two inches in the soil or hide in the shade of a rock. This can mean temperature changes on the order ten degrees C cooler. Seed germination is especially tied to soil surface microclimate in terms of moisture, insolation, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microclimate

Answer to your question is, thank you @Lnewqban, - the Stevenson Screen is the NOAA standard weather station. Microclimate accounts for different thermometer readings around the house, the heat island is a good explanation for big differences across a city and suburbs
 
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Stephen Tashi said:
In my town, newspaper stories say we've had several days of record high temperatures. The stories report temperatures in the range of 107 F. However, on the same days, online weather reports show temperatures as high as 116 F.

I think online weather reports use reports from amateur weather stations. ( On several days, I've seen the temperature measured by an (analog) outdoor thermometer in the shade of a covered patio get up to 115 F.)
Do you have sources you can share? It should be made pretty clear what the source is, in the report. I use NOAA/NWS as my primary weather source.

My home weather station is in a good spot though and agrees pretty well.
 
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russ_watters said:
Do you have sources you can share?

I use wunderground.com for the current temperature report.
However, I don't know how to get past temperature data for all the weather stations that site can show. I only see past temperature data for stations whose names suggest they are professional - such as Las Cruces International Airport Station.
 
I worked for the UK MetOffice as a forecaster for a few years.

Official temperatures are always measured out of direct sunlight, in those white slatted boxes known as Stevenson Screens - hence weathermen often qualify their temperatures with 'in the shade'.

However, those boxes can't remove the effect of urbanization, so temperaures in built up areas are recorded as higher than in the surroundings. (Interestingly the max temp in such areas often occurs a couple of hours later than elsewhere, as the heat built up during the strongest sunshine is released in the late afternoon/early evening).

As for max temperature - no, there's no rule to say how long the temperature should be sustained. The thermometer has a little gadget in it to record the highest position of the mercury (or similarly the lowest) from which max and min temps are taken.
 
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