Deformation of containers in the Tianjin explosion

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The discussion focuses on the deformation of shipping containers in the aftermath of the Tianjin explosion, questioning the energy required to cause such damage. Observers note that the containers appear more melted than crushed, suggesting extreme heat from the fires rather than solely explosive force. The shock wave from the explosion could exert significant overpressure, potentially flattening containers if applied for a brief duration. Calculating the blast effects is complex, with references to models and the reported TNT equivalent of the explosion being 23 tons. The conversation also mentions using the size of the explosion crater to estimate energy, indicating a correlation between crater size and the required explosive force.
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Anders Bruun said:
The containers in the image seem to have been crushed/deformed - but how much energy would be needed to do this?

They look more melted from the heat of the fires than crushed by the explosions...
 
berkeman said:
melted from the heat of the f
Very little burnt paint.
 
The shock wave from a large explosion applies an overpressure of hundreds of pounds per square inch as it passes by. That pressure makes for an enormous force when multiplied by the surface area of a shipping container - they'd be squashed flat as a penny on a railroad track if the force were applied for more than the few milliseconds it takes the shock wave to pass by.

Calculating blast effects accurately is difficult, but Google will find some useful models that will give numbers in the right order of magnitude.
 
Nugatory said:
The shock wave from a large explosion applies an overpressure of hundreds of pounds per square inch as it passes by. That pressure makes for an enormous force when multiplied by the surface area of a shipping container - they'd be squashed flat as a penny on a railroad track if the force were applied for more than the few milliseconds it takes the shock wave to pass by.

Calculating blast effects accurately is difficult, but Google will find some useful models that will give numbers in the right order of magnitude.
I don't know about "hundreds of pounds per square inch" of blast over pressure from a shock wave, at least not after it has propagated some distance from the explosion.

According to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overpressure

and

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docket/archive/pdfs/NIOSH-125/125-ExplosionsandRefugeChambers.pdf

a much more modest over pressure of only 10 psi can blow off limbs and will severely damage, if not demolish, reinforced concrete structures.
 
Maybe it would be possible to use the size of the crater to estimate it?

The crater from:

West Fertilizer Company explosion - Wikipedia, the free ...

was around 30 meters in diameter. The one from Tianjin is around 100 - 110 meters in diameter.

From what I understand the energy needed increases by r^5, so maybe that could be used ?
 
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