Derivation of equation for catenary

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The discussion revolves around confusion regarding the derivation of the catenary equation, specifically the relationship ds² = dx² + dy² and its implications. The user questions the rigor of deriving \(\frac{ds}{dx} = \sqrt{1 + {y'}^2}\) from the equation. They attempt to apply the chain rule to derive the relationship but encounter difficulties, particularly with the derivatives of x' and y'. Another participant suggests simplifying the equation by dividing by dx² and clarifies that s does not equal \(\sqrt{{x'}^2 + {y'}^2}\). The conversation highlights the importance of careful application of calculus principles in deriving equations.
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I am a bit confused on one part of the derivation of the catenary equation. At one point my book says ds2 = dx2 + dy2 and thus \frac{ds}{dx}=\sqrt{1 + {y'}^2}.

however that doesn't seem very rigorous to me and i am a little wary of accepting that explanation. i know that s = \sqrt{{x'}^2 + {y'}^2} so i tried to take the derivative of this with respect to x in order to hopefully obtain the same thing as above. so from the chain rule i have \frac{1}{2\sqrt{{x'}^2 + {y'}^2}} and now i have to take the derivative of (x'2 + y'2) with respect to x and here is where i am having trouble.

i have \frac{d}{dx}{x'}^2 = 2x' \frac{d}{dx}\frac{dx}{dt} = 2x' \frac{d}{dt}\frac{dx}{dx} = 0. then i have \frac{d}{dx}{y'}^2 = 2y' \frac{d}{dt}\frac{dy}{dx} = 2y'y''x' which does not seem right to me. it seems like this way should work but i am just confusing the chain rule in this last portion. can someone help straighten this out? thanks.
 
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demonelite123 said:
I am a bit confused on one part of the derivation of the catenary equation. At one point my book says ds2 = dx2 + dy2 and thus \frac{ds}{dx}=\sqrt{1 + {y'}^2}. [...] i know that s = \sqrt{{x'}^2 + {y'}^2}

If you are given ds^2 = dx^2 + dy^2, then s \neq \sqrt{{x'}^2 + {y'}^2}.



Take ds^2 = dx^2 + dy^2, divide it by dx^2 and then simplify. (hint: \frac{dx}{dx} = x' = 1)
 
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