Derivation of velocity in nth Bohr orbit

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The discussion focuses on deriving the expression for an electron's speed in the nth Bohr orbit and proving that the highest speed occurs in the n = 1 orbit, with a specific velocity formula. Participants explore using momentum and the Bohr radius equations but find them inadequate for solving subsequent parts of the problem. The relationship between the speed of the electron and the speed of light is examined, along with the implications of ignoring relativity in the hydrogen atom context. The fine structure constant, defined as the ratio of the electron's speed in the n = 1 orbit to the speed of light, is also discussed, with a verification of its approximate value of 1/37. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly deriving the velocity expression to address all parts of the homework problem effectively.
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Homework Statement



(a) Derive an expression for the electron's speed in the nth Bohr model.
(b) Prove that the orbit with highest speed is the n = 1 orbit,with v(1) = ke^2 / h
compare this with the speed of light , and comment on the validity of ignoring relativity (as we did) in discussing the hydrogen atom.
(c) the ratio
alpha = v(1)/c =ke^2 / hc
is called the " fine structure constant" and is generally quoted a s alpha ~ 1/37. verify this value


Homework Equations



So, I was thinking of using (momentum) mvr=hn/2(pi) which works out to give a nice expression for the velocity, but it fails in the next two parts of the problem.

I also looked at the equation for the bohr radius: a = hbar^2/ke^2m but again, I'm not sure that this would work with the rest of the problem.

The Attempt at a Solution



Like I said, I tried the above two equations, but neither seemed to yield an answer that would allow for solving of parts (b) and (c). Really, I would just love some help with part (a) to give me a push in the right direction. Thanks!
 
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We know

m \frac{v^2}{r} = \frac{k e^2}{r^2}

and

m v r = n \hbar (the quantized momentum of the particle)

so

\frac{m v r}{r^2}v = \frac{k e^2}{r^2}.

That should give you enough info to solve for the electron's speed!
 
Thanks! That was very helpful!
 
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