Derivative of inverse function.

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of an inverse function, specifically for the function f(x) = x^3 - 3x^2 - 1 at a given point. Participants are exploring the implications of the definition of the derivative of an inverse function and how it relates to the original function's derivative.

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  • Participants discuss the definition of the derivative of an inverse function, with some expressing confusion about the notation and implications. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between the derivatives of the function and its inverse, and questions arise regarding the specific request of the problem related to evaluating the derivative at a certain point.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and relationships involved in the problem. Some participants have offered clarifications regarding the notation and the reciprocal relationship of the derivatives, while others are still seeking to understand the specific requirements of the question.

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Participants note the complexity of the definitions and the potential pitfalls in understanding the derivative of an inverse function. There is mention of specific values and points of interest, such as x = -1 and f(3), which are central to the problem but are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Let, f(x) = x^3 - 3x^2 - 1 , x => 2 . Find the value of df^-1/dx at the point x=-1=f(3)

Homework Equations


The definition states; "If f has an interval I as domain and f'(x) exists and is never zero on I, then f'(c) is diff at every point in its domain. The value of (f^-1)' at a point b in the domain of f_1 is the reciprocal of the value of f1 at the point a = f^-1(b):
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Though I don't really understand what is going on in the equation.

The Attempt at a Solution


The derivative is f' = 3x^2 - 6x , but I don't really get what and why I do what I have to do from here. Coulden't find a youtube video for these sort of problems.
 
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Wow, that definition sounds complicated. The definition I always used is, well... y = f(x), yeah? So the inverse of f(x) would be x(y), and the derivative of that is dx/dy. Now it might seem intuitive, and there are pitfalls in that, but this is true because of the chain rule:

[tex]\left(f^{-1}(x)\right)' = \frac{dx}{dy} = \frac{1}{\frac{dy}{dx}}[/tex]

So the derivative of the inverse of your function is the reciprocal of the derivative of your function. Fun stuff, really.
 
Char. Limit said:
Wow, that definition sounds complicated. The definition I always used is, well... y = f(x), yeah? So the inverse of f(x) would be x(y), and the derivative of that is dx/dy. Now it might seem intuitive, and there are pitfalls in that, but this is true because of the chain rule:

[tex]\left(f^{-1}(x)\right)' = \frac{dx}{dy} = \frac{1}{\frac{dy}{dx}}[/tex]

So the derivative of the inverse of your function is the reciprocal of the derivative of your function. Fun stuff, really.
Oh, ok. So, could you tell me what does the question ask for when they ask to find df^-1/dx at x=-1=f(3) ?
 
it makes more sense if you write it this way:

dx/dy = 1/(dy/dx), but this isn't very accurate notation.

in english: the derivative of the inverse, is the reciprocal of the derivative.

in other words, instead of writing y = f(x), you consider x = f-1(y).

your equation should read:

[tex](f^{-1})'(f(a)) = \frac{1}{f'(a)}[/tex] or

[tex](f^{-1})'(b) = \frac{1}{f'(f^{-1}(b))}[/tex]

since presumably b = f(a) (and thus a = f-1(b)).
 
Deveno said:
it makes more sense if you write it this way:

dx/dy = 1/(dy/dx), but this isn't very accurate notation.

in english: the derivative of the inverse, is the reciprocal of the derivative.

in other words, instead of writing y = f(x), you consider x = f-1(y).

your equation should read:

[tex](f^{-1})'(f(a)) = \frac{1}{f'(a)}[/tex] or

[tex](f^{-1})'(b) = \frac{1}{f'(f^{-1}(b))}[/tex]

since presumably b = f(a) (and thus a = f-1(b)).

So, in this case I don't have to find the inverse of the function because x=-1=f(3);
[tex](f^{-1})'(b) = \frac{1}{f'(f^{-1}(3))}[/tex] ----> [tex](f^{-1})'(b) = \frac{1}{f'(-1)}[/tex] ?
 

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